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Old 16-01-2007, 08:46 PM
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boleh saya tau....

1. selalunya brapa harga kucing2 baka ni?

abyssinian
maine coon
norwegian forest cat
persian
exotics
siberian

2. kenapa harga kucing2 baka ni dijual dgn harga yg mahal?


3. ini je ke baka2 yg ada? can somebody list down all the type of cats?


4. apa berbezaan kucing ni? is it just outside (apperance) different but inside all the cats is the same?


1. the price depends on the breeder and the quality of the cat. different countries also have different pricing

2.Pedigree cats are expensive because a lot more is put into them than a regular domestic cat. A pedigree cat is years of selective breeding(in most cases) to arrive at a cat which should conform to a written standard. Basically this means.. they all look like maine coons, or they all look like birmans.. etc.. litter after litter. A breeder also sells a pedigree kitten usually with the following---microchip,full vaccinations, pedigree cert, sometimes food and litter samples as well. These do cost a bit. Also, from the time the queen is pregnant, she should receive the best care. From ultrasound to extra supplements...here's a simple breakdown as an example of what goes into breeding. it is very difficult to gain profit from breeding and most breeders are even lucky to break even..
http://www.my-secret-garden.de/teuereng.html

3. you can find the rest of the breeds on www.cfa.org
these are the breeds recognized by CFA. there are plenty more breeds which you may find on www.tica.org or www.acf.asn.au TICA is an American
registry which also operates largely in Europe and ACF is australian based.

4.you may read the standards and look at pictures of the cats in those websites.
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Old 16-01-2007, 11:59 PM
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kenapa kucing ini dijual dengan mahal?
macam nie lah kenapa jam rolex tulen mahal?...jawapannya kualiti!...untuk melahirkan kucing baka...breeder lazimnya terpaksa melabur banyak wang...dari tempat tinggal yang baik hinggalah vitamin dsb...ini dilakukan semenjak dari dalam perut lagi! itu tidak termasuk mengimport baka yang baik dari luar negeri..sehingga ada yang mencecah belasan ribu ringgit!!

breeder takkan kaya dengan menjual kucing percayalah...untuk menjaga kualiti dan memastikan kualiti kucing mereka, mereka terpaksa membawa kucing mereka untuk bertanding diserata dunia...dan lazimnya perjalanan mereka mencecah hingga RM5000..bayangkan kalau 5-6 kali setahun...

so walaupun anda membayar harga yang agak tinggi untuk kucing baka..namun, ia tidak semahal mana dibandingkan dengan kualiti kucing yang anda dapat..

apa beza kucing-kucing ini?
banyak bezanya..bukan hanya dari segi luaran, saiz, rupa paras, bentuk badan tetapi ia juga berbeza dari segi temperament atau sifat/naluri...ada kucing yang agak garang seperti bengal...ada kucing yang teramat manja seperi persian...
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Old 17-01-2007, 10:33 AM
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...ada kucing yang teramat manja seperi persian...


my cat also manja la..and you know he is not a Persian
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Old 17-01-2007, 10:59 AM
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kenapa kucing ini dijual dengan mahal?
macam nie lah kenapa jam rolex tulen mahal?...jawapannya kualiti!...untuk melahirkan kucing baka...breeder lazimnya terpaksa melabur banyak wang...dari tempat tinggal yang baik hinggalah vitamin dsb...ini dilakukan semenjak dari dalam perut lagi! itu tidak termasuk mengimport baka yang baik dari luar negeri..sehingga ada yang mencecah belasan ribu ringgit!!

breeder takkan kaya dengan menjual kucing percayalah...untuk menjaga kualiti dan memastikan kualiti kucing mereka, mereka terpaksa membawa kucing mereka untuk bertanding diserata dunia...dan lazimnya perjalanan mereka mencecah hingga RM5000..bayangkan kalau 5-6 kali setahun...

so walaupun anda membayar harga yang agak tinggi untuk kucing baka..namun, ia tidak semahal mana dibandingkan dengan kualiti kucing yang anda dapat..

apa beza kucing-kucing ini?
banyak bezanya..bukan hanya dari segi luaran, saiz, rupa paras, bentuk badan tetapi ia juga berbeza dari segi temperament atau sifat/naluri...ada kucing yang agak garang seperti bengal...ada kucing yang teramat manja seperi persian...



tak semua bengal garang .... macam F1-F3 bengal selalunya cuma akan jinak dengan owner sahaja ....
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Old 17-01-2007, 12:48 PM
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Thanks heartkiel & arisham...a lot of info there...thanks 4 sharing...

now i know y the price is high...

but i think there is cases that the cat (same type of cat) can sell at huge different prices..like some will sell at only around hundred n some will sell at around thousand (rm1000++/rm2000++)...y this happen? 4 me, i think the process of taking care of the cat should be the same..only like -+ the differences..i think the price should not be 'ketara perbezaan'...altho bcoz of the quality of the kitten also should not be that ketara i think...

anyone can answer this? i'm not trying to argue anything...this is jus to avoid kena tipu je...maybe 1 day i'm planning to get one of this cat...

heartkiel...u as a breeder...usually dpt kitten baru price dia lebih kurang sama je ke..or can be huge different also?

tapi ada tak breeder yg mmg wat keja ni tuk dpt kan profit semata2..i mean dia still maintain d quality of cats tapi dia jual dgn harga yg dia bleh dptkan profit (selain dr pet shop la) like never care about the cat tau dpt untung je? or all the breeder doesn't care about the profit..yg dia tau cuma sygkan kucing n not selling it (kira bayar on the cost je la)

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breeder takkan kaya dengan menjual kucing percayalah...untuk menjaga kualiti dan memastikan kualiti kucing mereka, mereka terpaksa membawa kucing mereka untuk bertanding diserata dunia...dan lazimnya perjalanan mereka mencecah hingga RM5000..bayangkan kalau 5-6 kali setahun...



breeder akan kaya kalau dia wat keja menipu... like at the pet shop..tul x?
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but i think there is cases that the cat (same type of cat) can sell at huge different prices..like some will sell at only around hundred n some will sell at around thousand (rm1000++/rm2000++)...y this happen? 4 me, i think the process of taking care of the cat should be the same..only like -+ the differences..i think the price should not be 'ketara perbezaan'...altho bcoz of the quality of the kitten also should not be that ketara i think...

anyone can answer this? i'm not trying to argue anything...this is jus to avoid kena tipu je...maybe 1 day i'm planning to get one of this cat...

heartkiel...u as a breeder...usually dpt kitten baru price dia lebih kurang sama je ke..or can be huge different also?

tapi ada tak breeder yg mmg wat keja ni tuk dpt kan profit semata2..i mean dia still maintain d quality of cats tapi dia jual dgn harga yg dia bleh dptkan profit (selain dr pet shop la) like never care about the cat tau dpt untung je? or all the breeder doesn't care about the profit..yg dia tau cuma sygkan kucing n not selling it (kira bayar on the cost je la)
in my opinion, when you want to buy a pedigree cat, you will look and buy these things:
1. the cat (of course!)
2. lineage and paper - means you know your cat come from good quality parentage
3. good health (who wants to pay lots for a sick kitten?)
4. stable temperament (usually come with the breed and also the based from the parents)
5. a well socialized and trained cat (a petshop kitten maybe afraid of human and not litterbox trained)
6. warranty (many good breeders provide a "replacement" kitten should there be genetic and health defect - can't get this at petshop :rolleyes
7. quality (whatever quality the kitty might be - pet, breed or show!)

the price of the pedigree kitty might be cheaper if:
1. its a crossbreed (means of of the parents is a domestic)
2. the kitty is a pet quality and have some faults

otherwise: to me, spending rm1k++ on a pedigree kitty is a good emotional investment rather than spending rm500++ on a petshop kitty that may cause you heartache!
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tapi ada tak breeder yg mmg wat keja ni tuk dpt kan profit semata2..i mean dia still maintain d quality of cats tapi dia jual dgn harga yg dia bleh dptkan profit (selain dr pet shop la) like never care about the cat tau dpt untung je? or all the breeder doesn't care about the profit..yg dia tau cuma sygkan kucing n not selling it (kira bayar on the cost je la)

breeder akan kaya kalau dia wat keja menipu... like at the pet shop..tul x?


tak dinafikan dunia...orang pakai serban tak semestinya beramal soleh..orang yang pakai tie tak semesti officer....macam tu lah breeder...sebab tu bila nak membeli, pastikan anda bawa rakan yang arif tentang kucing baka tersebut...ataupun, sebelum beli tanyalah breeder tu asal-usul kucingnya dan buat penyelidikan berapa banyak generasi atau adik-beradiknya (siblings) yang berjaya menjadi CH, GC...etc. Ada juga breeder yang mementingkan siapa bakal owner kitten mereka...breeder bukanlah mencari owner yg kaya sebaliknya mereka mahukan kepercayaan bahawa anda akan menjaga kitten tersebut sebaik mungkin..

tapi ofcourse anda perlu tahu perbezaan standard antara registry..macam CFA dan FiFe...lazimnya ciri-ciri standard bagi baka yang sama ada perbezaan.

Ok, kenapa harga tak sama walaupun baka (breed) sama...ia bergantung kepada banyak faktor..antaranya kualiti kucing tersebut..berkemungkinan kitten tersebut mempunyai kualiti yang baik dan mampu menjadi GC!...asal-usul kucing tersebut juga memainkan peranan...jika parents kitten tersebut diimport dari cattery ternama dan telah melahirkan banyak juara..maka harganya pun agak berbeza...namun jika anda telah menunjukkan komitment yang baik..dan dipercayai...ada kalanya breeder akan mengenakan hanya caj murah...bagi mereka, apabila melihat kitten tersebut telah dijaga dengan baik dan berjaya dalam pertandingan sudah memadai.


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in my opinion, when you want to buy a pedigree cat, you will look and buy these things:
1. the cat (of course!)
2. lineage and paper - means you know your cat come from good quality parentage
3. good health (who wants to pay lots for a sick kitten?)
4. stable temperament (usually come with the breed and also the based from the parents)
5. a well socialized and trained cat (a petshop kitten maybe afraid of human and not litterbox trained)
6. warranty (many good breeders provide a "replacement" kitten should there be genetic and health defect - can't get this at petshop :rolleyes
7. quality (whatever quality the kitty might be - pet, breed or show!)


oo...ok...i will look at this 7 things before i decide to buy...thanks 4 the advice...
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arisham...thanks 4 explaining everything to me n thanks 4 ur time to write a long explanation 4 me to understand....

by the way...nak tanya skit...u work as what? coz tgk cara tulis agak detail n ayat agak skema skit.. (sorry to say)
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definitely are some breeders who do this for profit. (note: pls excuse me for typing this in english or it'll take two hours for me to finish this post).
anyway.. look at the number of litters a breeder has a year. how many times does he or she breed a certain cat. how many breeds does he or she have? all this are important when trying to find a responsible breeder. a good breeder will mate her female 1-2(max) times a year and have a decent break in between pregnancies. a new breeder usually starts out with one breed.. an experienced one shouldnt have more than 3 breeds..
if a breeder is genuinely looking after the cats, it will be really difficult to make a profit after what she/he has spent. the prices of pedigrees are not supposed to differ a lot. For example in Singapore the prices for a pet range from $800sgd-$1300 sgd. That is still within the acceptable range. Prices will differ from country to country and depends on the rareity of the breed also in some cases. although i have not had any kittens yet i only have two standard pricing ranges. neuter and entire. entire of course would be more expensive and sold only to registered breeders. neuters would be priced within the pet price i mentioned above and the owner is free to choose if he/she wishes to show the kitten or not.
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