thanks.....

true.....its all about passion and patient......

Hi guy, for your info. in order to "test" how paitent my buyers are, I always require them to come visit my cats for as many as 6-7 times before I say "yes" in selling a kitten to them.........

Call me crazy - but I do that on purpose - if they think this arrangement is nothing but trouble, then cleaning the litterbox, grooming the cats and taking care of them (especially when they are sick) for "LIFE-TIME" must be a mission impossible for them......and those who don't have this patience do not deserve a kitty from me..........

And mind you also, like Lesley says, the guarantee for genetic problems MUST BE LIFE-TIME. Things like PKD (especially in Persians) do not show up too early.........a friend of mine recently took his Persian-like longhair bought from petshop 6 years ago to me and I did the PKD test sampling for him (the Australian PKD test kit).........the result came back from the Aussie lab. a while ago and it was positive.........yet the cat concerned only shows very initial sign of PKD suffering........and he is 6-year old now........

Last but not the least, these days I sell my cats, not only with contract, but also "insurance" to buyers. The health insurance is good for covering 12 veterinary visits@US$100. Also there is an insured sum of US$1000 "operation cost" in case an operation is necessary. All these are covered for 12 months starting from the day the kittens are taken to their new homes (4-month, or 16-week old as my policy).

The insurance itself costs me about US$150, yet I think it's worth every penny of it, and gives my buyers a big peace of mind. And of course, I guarantee most of the genetic diseases associated with Norwegian Forest cats for life.

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so so sorry to hear your bad experience at the first time..I think by now you have read advices and information from most senior forumers here..

However, should you need more guidance pls. add me to your YM (arisham2003@yahoo.com). I'll be happy to help you.

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I wish here got insurance for cat..i dont think we have it here in malaysia..but again..back to how much the breeder charge to the buyer rite? if its high then ok to have all those. so sometime need to balance all this.

this is my opinion and some ppl do have their own.

about health guarantee for genetic defect that can cover lifetime..at first i want to implement that also but then i realised also that some of the genetic defect like PKD, HD , HCM can come up due to poor maintenance of the cat also...
if the cat were not taken care off properly or too much care like over supplement, over vitamin..over fed..then can lead to that kind of disease also..

that is why im willing to give guarantee for until age 1.5 years...to me its fair enough...

anyway...we are open to discuss this among breeders and perhaps we can come up with a SOP so that all of us breeder can use the same..

the contract, the pricing structure, the health guarantee etc can be standard..

that is why breeder association is a must..i have been raising this but no one want to give any input about it.

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yes..... thanks arisham....

i so glad that a resposible breeder like you all give me so much advise and guides....

but russmania....

what about if we re staying quite far....do we still have to visit the cattery many times....

oh.... i wish i could go to the cattery every day but especially in my area...no breeder at all....most are in kl rite?

Hi Farish73, may I know is there any officially article/document/website that states that genetic effects can be triggered by poor maintenance or over supplement of a cat. While I can understand that certain ailments eg. like giradia which exists in all cats at a minimal amount can be triggered off when a cats immune system is low, I dont see how genetic defects can work in this manner. I would like to discuss this. Its an interesting issue yet sensitive. I do not want breeders out there to convieniently tell owners that we are over supplementing our cats and because of that our cats genetically faulted which does not make sense. Neither do I want breeders to convieniently say that we are mistreating and not maintaining our cats and therefore it is geneticly faulted which is also wrong. Have I misread or misunderstood what you meant? Please do explain.

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about health guarantee for genetic defect that can cover lifetime..at first i want to implement that also but then i realised also that some of the genetic defect like PKD, HD , HCM can come up due to poor maintenance of the cat also...
if the cat were not taken care off properly or too much care like over supplement, over vitamin..over fed..then can lead to that kind of disease also..

that is why im willing to give guarantee for until age 1.5 years...to me its fair enough...

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Sorry, have to respectfully disagree with the principle - if a cat has PKD etc, it has it. "Rough" treatment might hasten an onset, but it sure won't cause it and ultimately the cat would develop it anyway. Ergo - if any genetic guarantee is to be given, I don't see why it is for a limited time only.

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That was my exact sentiments. It got me real worried. And yes, I will give a lifetime gurantee with regards to genetic issues on my kittens, it should not be for a limited period only.

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Well I Agree with you as certain case like HIP DISORDER might cause by poor diet or supplement for the cat. Well like lesley say as well some genetic effect is not likely to be affected by diet.

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