REAL Persian? As in Pedigree or Purebred Persian with MYR680?

Well, I know there are forumers here love to use the word "PERSIAN" or "Norwegian Forest Cat" and etc to sell their mixed Persian or what I called as DLH.. no offense people.

I do not think there is/are such REAL or Pedigree Persian with that cost in Malaysia except if we are friends (i doubt), relatives (probably) or for some other purposes or reasons (Due to quality or others and surely no PAPERS).

OK.. I think with this statement I seriously have to apologize..

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If you think I am a human, you are DEAD wrong because.. Im a domesticated shorthair cat who went to school!

My Boys:- Trey Joshua Jay (DLH); Leroy Allen Jay (MCO); William Henry Jay (MCO)

Oh, honey, I feel SO sorry for you! (That you were ripped off...not that you've got a cat that you love.) This is so unfair and so much the story with pet shops and the "slave trade" from Australia. I absolutely abhor the breeders who indulge in this and usually their kittens aren't registered even in Aust. They sell them bulk at dirt cheap rates and take no responsibility - don't care where they end up. I can't imagine how these people think. You've got it right - proper, registered kittens are usually cheaper!
I'm just glad that your kitten (whatever its background, which I seriously doubt is 100% persian) has a lovely home. So many don't.
Lesley

yup, i agree with jay... some irresponsible people like to confuse potential buyers by saying their kitten is xxx breed... some people also like to claim their DSH / DLH xxx breed... if my friends, i will tell them "no paper no talk" full stop! esp the breed that i know have very small number of cats

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Truly.. I feel so relieve to know the truth about persian cats ; I only learned more today - 10Q + 10Q !!!. I dont really know what is the actual price of persian with papers. Some said it is MYR1700 and last week in another pet shop the price was MYR1300 with papers (dont know which association). The cat was my brothers sweet heart and I am not breaking the news to him. At least I know the importance of papers now.

as for me, i don't bother if the cat worth MYR 20K or MYR ZERO... as long the cat have a lovely home and loved well the MYR 20K need extra security though

my sweetheart cat is just a plain ex-stray cat... yet i am not willing to give up on her... she is worth millions of kisses from me

however, it will piss me off if i know i'm cheated! then, revenge in order

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Cats are precious creatures that enhance one's life. Respect them, take good care of them, and above all, love them. Their love, affection and attention will be your reward.

ONE thing you should know about The PAPER is the PAPER itself. If you are talking about PAPER.. I can also print NICELY done "paper".

You should know the "real" organizations (How the real certificate looks like) and not some breeder's certificates - something that they print using their Laser Printer.

That is why when I said I want a cat, I said it clearly CFA or FIFE or TICA …

What is the point paying RM2000 or more that comes with "Mutu Samy Cattery" certificate? Where can you show your cats unless as "Household" aka non-pedigree!

I have seen so many people ended up frustrated because they being CONNED.

When I purchased pedigrees (3 cats so far) I specifically asked for the original cert of CFA and asked the breeder to put on their signature for transfer of owner.

Currently all those certificates have my name as the legal owner. (All 3 Maine Coons).

I feel proud to show people that my cats are quality cats and I am the legal father for them.

Remember, do ask for the certificate details unless if you don’t mind with the types of it. There are people telling me that some breeder’s certificates are valid to be used for pedigree, I am not so sure about this. <- Someone , please verify this.

For that reason, please check with appropriate parties to avoid frustrations later on.

Do not ended up like my friend in which he being kicked out from registering in any known international cat shows under pedigree category.. because his so called pedigree comes with the "Breeder's self printed PAPER".

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If you think I am a human, you are DEAD wrong because.. Im a domesticated shorthair cat who went to school!

My Boys:- Trey Joshua Jay (DLH); Leroy Allen Jay (MCO); William Henry Jay (MCO)

Totally agree, Jay - breeers' pedigrees (if your're buying something to breed from, one day, or even to show in pedigree section as desexed) are worth absolutely nothing. There has to be a transfer into your own name though the registering body and that cannot ever be done just with a breeder's ped. alone. You're right - too many people are conned and I think it's immoral that some make money/a living out of cats.
Lesley

I do agree with Jay and Lesley with regards to 'breeders pedigree' to a certain extent, but you have to hear both sides of the story as well and try and put yourself in the breeder's position. Not many can or will pay USD$1500 to USD$3500 for a imported CFA registered feline, so if you expect to get a show quality breeding feline for MYR2000 including CFA papers it is quite difficult unless it is maybe 2, 3 or 4 generation down from an imported sire or dam or both.

For approximately MYR2000 to MYR2500, maybe less, you can get a show quality neuter with CFA papers.

Some 'potential owners' also do not believe in neutering giving the reason that its sinful.

So how do you overcome this?

For me personally, i sell with a breeders pedigree and withhold the CFA paper. When the kitten reach adulthood and if the owner wants to breed, then he/she will have to pay an additional pre-agreed price, decided when the owner 1st takes home the kitten, for the CFA papers to be released.

This helps in 2 ways, 1st it is less of a burden to come up with X amount of money initially and 2nd, I can make sure that the kitten is well maintained, of breed standard, and is suitable to breed in a way that will justify a good breeding program. I too would need to know that these people has the know how to at least come close to the breed standard. Whats the point of breeding pedigree cats if you do not intent to keep to the standard that is specified by the governing council be it CFA, FIFE or TICA?

Breeding is not easy, a lot of research must go into it. It is not only about letting them mate, have kittens and sell/give them away fast. If this is the attitude, we will not be able to eradicate the overpopulation of strays.

I have seen many of my customers who just want a show quality cat but are not bothered with showing at all, framing their "nicely done paper" and displaying it proudly in their home. They mainly just dont see the need to pay the registration fees to get it as a registered cat of so and so organization.The point is, not everybodys wants and needs are the same...so dont put everything in 1 basket....


I have no issues with well loved 'household' pets. I started with taking care of stray cats outside my house. Over time and with a lot of help from my parents, i ventured into pedigree cats. It was never a overnight thingy. I am sure with all forumers here, whether you have a non pedigree or pedigree cat, they are the best in our eyes I only pity the stray cats that do not know when their next meal will come by....


In conclusion, there is nothing wrong with a breeders pedigree if you are made aware of the terms and conditions. That is why a reputable breeder would ask you to sign their sales contract. If there is any dispute, there is always this contract to fall back on.

So the decision lies with the potential owner on whether he/she wants to buy from a backyard breeder or reputable breeder, wants a show cat or a loving pet...anyway you choose, decide what is best for yourself coz it is a lifetime committment

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Yup agree. If they said they want CFA cert + non-neutered, MYR2000 is not acceptable. To get breeding cat + CFA cert, the buyer must at least pay more than MYR4000 above unless if the cat is not a quality cat.

For the range MYR2000 ~ MYR2500 (or less a bit) are for neutered cats only.

That is why buyers must do thorough study before buying and decide on what will be the status of the cats. (For breeding or not).

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If you think I am a human, you are DEAD wrong because.. Im a domesticated shorthair cat who went to school!

My Boys:- Trey Joshua Jay (DLH); Leroy Allen Jay (MCO); William Henry Jay (MCO)

BULLSEYE buyer needs to know firstly whether he/she wants a pedigree or non pedigree cat. secondly, show quality or otherwise, then neutered or for breeding and lastly with or without certified registration papers...

for those who are told that the kitten/cat is of showable quality, please do get something in writing that states if the the said feline were to be judged as having a fault making it not being able to be shown, some sort of gurantee that a replacement feline be offered in exchange or in addition. All reputable breeder will have this proviso in their sales contract. a pedigree cat may cost a little more but all these things are taken into consideration and both parties are better off for it.

there are so many people buying "show" quality cats but end up being disappointed when a judge points out a fault like for eg a crooked tooth, under or overbite, kink tail etc...thats the reason i encourage my customers that buy my show kittens to actively participate in all shows. when they want to do so, of course by that time, they will need to sort out the registration papers coz a breeders pedigree will not be accepted. some do not mind and just enter under novice or household category which is not ideal but at least its a start and a learning process for the cat and owner too. it is good experience and exposure for the owner and feline.

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to err is human, to forgive is divine...but to create stories, now thats inexcusable and shows a true reflection of oneself...to use a blog to do all this, now thats hysterical, what a lowlife