Blue smoke exotic - VERY low grade - you can only see it in the brow...and high grade black tortie smoke exotic. Forgive type - this was 1980's!
Lesley

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I got interested in feline genetic when I decided to breed cats. Indeed, silver (I) is a dominate gene so unless at least one of the parents have silver gene in them, their offspring cannot have silver gene in them. The tail of the kitten in the first photo looks smoke to me but I didn’t take into consideration colours of the parents when I say the kitten is a tortie smoke. As Lesley point out one of the parents could be of low-grade smoke then it is possible the kitten is a smoke. Carebear, you could pat the hair of your kitten to see if the roof is white. If it is then it is a smoke. Some low-grade smoke may be hard to detect.

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Not wrong! In another association, here in Tasmania, there was a 'chocolate oriental' won S/O Cat of the Year in about 2000. I first saw her when another judge was judging her and alarm bells went off in my head - WHY would a 15 mth "solid" coloured cat with an adult coat, from about 2 metres away still have ghost tabby pattern? Only one reason I could think of. She's a low grade smoke. I spoke to the owner and discovered that both parents were silvers - dad a silver tabby point siamese and mum a black smoke oriental (Carebear - a perfect example of why pedigrees carry the reference to silver behind a cat!) All she had was this ghost tabby pattern and a slight brindling in the cheeks....the roots of the fur weren't textbook white...just a paler version of chocolate. That happens with poor smokes, like the blue male exotic pic. (His roots were just a paler blue than surface colour)

Owner mated her to a seal point siamese and produced some kittens - a chocolate point female in particular interested me when she was shown at 13 wks. I was convinced she was a smoke pt. However, in that registry they didn't recognise smoke point siamese, so she was reg as normal choc point. Again, just some slight brindling in the mask and a light underside to the tail.

She was in turn mated to a blue tabby oriental and surprise, surprise - in the litter of 5, 3 silver tabby orientals! She's now about 4 years, her "goggles" (light "spectacles") are quite distinct and the owner has come over to our body so she can register these cats as what they really are!

Lesley

Hi Lesley,
Thats interesting. My exotic kitten have the same thing a paler roots, only at the back of the tails appear silvery. So is she a a tortie or tortie smoke?
Sara

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Hi Pussy,
Thanks for the info.

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Paler roots in itself (esp in a black tortie) doesn't necessarily mean smoke...kitten coats are mucky anyway and most cats aren't sound colour to the roots (it fades out a bit in most cases) but the underside of the tail being silvery (lacking colour) is a smoke thing. But then we get back to the fact that unless Dad is a closet smoke, it's genetically impossible for her to be smoke.

Lesley

Hi Lesley,
Thanks. She is a black tortie then .One more question my red tabby male also has silver in pedigree. If I mate him with my brown tabby female who also has silver in pedigree. What possible colours will the kittens be? Will they be any silver tabby? Or do I have to mate her with a smoke male/silver tabby male to get silver tabby.

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A black smoke I bred approx 8 mths in quarantine in UK in 1990 - particularly good pattern.... significant contrast if you opened the coat, but appears black in repose, except for ear tufts and 'clown marks' over the eyes (and a bit of tummy showing). I'll find one of the highest grade smoke I ever bred - she went to Sweden...late 1980's.

Lesley

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The one who went to Sweden....way too high grade to fit the standard...but the buyer was a judge and wanted her.... from a red shaded persian mum and a black dad.

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No way you'll get any silvers unless one of the parents is a silver (even if an undetected one)

What you'd get depends on whether they carry dilute (and if they're homozygous for tabby). If they don't have dilute and are pure for tabby, you'd get black tabby males and black tortie tabby females. If they DO carry dilute and aren't homozygous for tabby, there could be blue males (solid or tabby) and blue tortie or blue tortie tabby girls....that's assuming there's not chocolate in the parents' background as well!

Lesley