Found this from CFA website under American Shorthair Breed Profile. I think it's very interesting, knowing a lot of ppl mistook a long haired cat as Persian. Tabby Long Haired cat as Maine Coon etc.

This is what pedigree all about. GENUINITY. Not just a mere look alikes.

Well done Faieza!

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I believe this issue does happen in other country too and educating the general public plays an important role, so that they would not be cheated. Through this forum I learned all about pedigree and genuinity of the cat breed. Thanks to all those who has continuosly reminded and educating us.

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Indeed!

Most people always get cheated by this.
Even myself, long before I know all these things, I always thought domestic cats are those strays and feral, little that I know my precious babies are also a domestic cats, no matter how close they resemble a pedigree cat

By saying this, I don't mean our DLH/DSH are worthless or not beautiful. Of course all cats are beautiful! Just that to avoid all of us from getting conned/cheated into believing we are buying a PERSIAN, ABY, MC, EXOTIC, ETC.

No point spending thousand of ringgit for a fake FENDI bag at Petaling Street isn't it? Where you can get it for mere hundreds. (Some even less... hehehe)

To be fair i think the cat society or association got this problem because they are too weak and not united.

They have to learn from MKA (Malaysian Kennel Association). Those puppy that with a certified mother and father can only got cert.

Do you know that even though that the mother and father got cert but the puppy is not registered within 1 month of birth cant obtain cert after that.
So strict huh.... But that how strong they are.

starcat I think u gotta cut them a bit of slack.. they both operate differently for a reason.
firstly cats only with pedigreed parents can be certified as well. Also, different organizations have different rules/ different requirements. CFA does not allow certain colors, breeds and outcrosses. If u have any of these in your cat's pedigree(even tho your cat is perfectly ok).. the cat still cannot be registered.
Wildcat crosses like the bengal are also not allowed in cfa.. they are strict on this too.
As a breeder, I will not be naming my cats. I should allow potential owners to choose a name. As it is.. one cant tell much from a one month old kitten. How many people are willing to choose a kitten before they can even figure out how it will grow to look like? So when the owner finally chooses a kitten... and finally decides on a name.. then they can be registered. Another way of going about this is registering them anyway with my chosen names and asking the owners to transfer the cat under the owner's name later. the owner can also change the name of the cat. but all this will lead to extra costs on part of the owner.

As for kittens, those ONLY from pedigreed father and mother (from the same breed mind you) can be registered. Other than that, they are called DSH/DLH.

The only outcross allowed by CFA (as far as I know, I might be wrong) is between Persian and Exotic.

Actually it's not about either the association being strict or not. It's about awareness. The asscociation can be as strict as hell, but as long as there are ppl who likes to manipulate and cheat others; this (GOD FORBID) will never stop.

Hello Starcat,

Ohhh so you were saying because of Cat’s associations are WEAK, all cats without pedigree parents can also be registered as pedigree? That is what I understood from your statement.

Don’t correct me if I am wrong because I am not wrong. Starcat, how many times I have reminded you that your cats cannot become pedigrees or be called as ONE? That shows how strong the cat’s associations ARE!

Repeat your statement again. You said “Those puppy that with a certified mother and father can only got cert.”

It goes the same with cats. Next time, if you don’t know, don’t just simply say it. It makes you look silly.

If kittens with non-pedigree parents can become PEDIGREE, why don’t your register your cats? You cannot, because your kittens parents are non-pedigree!

There are new breeds that are allowed to be cross breeding under certain rules. You cannot simply buy a look-alike Maine coon or look alike Persian in some petshops to call your cats as Persians.

If my comments look harsh to you, I am sorry for that. But you start it first; I am just answering your baseless accusations.

PS- You seriously dont understand Faieza's post!

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Starcat,

I think you have misunderstood Faieza's original post.

All it was saying is, don't be taken in by look-alikes because look-alikes are NEVER the same as a Pedigreed cat.

As a CFA registered breeder, I can confirm the following:

1. Both SIRE AND DAM (father and mother) OF THE SAME BREED MUST BE CERTIFIED PEDIGREE BEFORE THEIR KITTENS CAN BE REGISTERED AS A PEDIGREE OF THAT BREED.

2. All kittens of Certified/Registered Pedigree cats OF THE SAME BREED CAN BE REGISTERED AS A PEDIGREE CAT OF THAT BREED within the first THREE MONTHS of the kitten's life. Should you want to register the kittens after 3 months, you'll have to pay a little bit more.

3. If you want to register a cat of different Pedigreed Breed parentage (eg. Persians and Exotics), you must check to see if the outcross IS an allowed Breed.

4. You can choose NOT to register your Pedigreed Kittens.

5. You can choose NOT to alter your Pedigree cat, eventhough you have NO INTENTION OF breeding that cat.

Points 4 and 5 are the problems. The kittens from points 4 and 5 ARE NO LONGER CONSIDERED PEDIGREE, and are now only DOMESTIC.

Transferring ownership of a Pedigree Cat AND altering a Pedigree Cat is only a matter of money!

Different cat registries have different rules BUT the point is, if you own a Pedigree Cat, make sure that your cat IS Pedigreed or else, it's just a DOMESTIC LOOK -ALIKE.

I own pedigreed Abyssinians and I have just registered my litter of kittens with CFA. No-one who buys my kittens/cats will ever have to doubt that they own PEDIGREED ABYSSINIANS!

P.S. I believe that MKA is affiliated to AKC (American Kennel Club), so it's not just MKA rules they follow!

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Sigh...

Why is it so hard to understand the concept of a pedigree? LOL

Maybe it's different with dogs? Anyone with experience in breeding dogs or knows a thing or two about dogs please answer my question:


1. What do you call a dog without a certificate? Without certificate here means either parents both certified but the pup is not, or parents both not certified, or father certified but mom's not.

Cats we call it Domestic SH or LH. For dogs? Will it still be called a shih tzu even without a certificate?

(I dont know a thing about dogs so if my question kinda dumb, pls excuse me)

Oh by the way, calling a DLH as "Persian" and selling it as one would definitely boost up the price isnt it? Pfftt!