Lesley, thanks for the input. What happens if the pedigree cat does not have microchipping, can a DNA test be run in order to get a new cert ?

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Leslie and all..........

I guess, accept it or not, cat fancy, or the whole idea of purebred cat registry, grounds on the belief (assumption?) that we are living in a world of trust and civilisation..............

The fact that this practice (cat registry) is successful, or to a large degree sound doesn't necessarily mean that it will work in other parts of the planet where people are, in general, less educated, less civilised and fraud is part of the daily life..........

A good example - mainland China. You have heard, almost never-endingly, stories about fake products including foods (gosh that includes milk powder for babies), right? So if those people give no damn even about making fake or substandard food products that they know better than anyone else that these will do harm to people eating them (and baby these people in China are uncountable), how can we expect there will be a high degree of a mature, mutual-trusting system running in such a nation. And if fraud is such a common phenomenon in there, you cannot expect the pet market, which extends of course to the practice of pedigreed cat breeding, will have a totally different kind of civilisation. And mind you, I run my own architectural studio with a lot of projects in China and I have dealt with many different walks of life there, and I can tell you fraud is still common these days. That siad, of course I've seen good people in there as well, but in the end it's a simple rule that determines how civilised a place is: the no. of well-behaved people against the bad ones..........and in China this ratio is still a little on the low side.

Are there frauds in pedigreed breeding in the western world? Of course surely yes, but again the western world seems to be more prone to self-correction as a result of, in my mind, a more general ethical belief. The problem of non-ethical breeding will continue to exist, as long as there is a gap in the spirit of breeding (ethics) and the reality (frauds). To many, many BYB the temptation to breed for money, more money is just so huge.............

One more than though, I myself always make sure my cats are free from common genetic issues like HCM, PKD (not common in Forests and yet I still want to be sure). There is a lab in Australia which you can get the PKD test-kit for perhaps 200RM and you can collect some tissues sample from your cat's tongue and sent it to the lab for testing. Just two weeks you'll get your result back. Of course if you want this result to be officially recognised you'll need a Vet to do the sampling, and yet it won't cost you an arm or a leg anyway. My other practice is, while it may sound like a pain in the ass for many but I always find it enjoying, "trace it up" to as many as 10 generations when I buy breeding cats from other breeders. In doing that I can see the development of a line including the change (better say evolution) of type, size, and coat condition ---- I also incidentally spot HCM carriers in the line (Some domains contain info. for known HCM carriers) so I know pretty much what to prevent or at least the level of risk to take if I really, really like the cat concerned...........

Are you guys doing the same thing?

Exactly! This is what I always said, even how much they look like Persians or Maine Coons etc, they cant be called as that unless if the owner can prove it - through Pedigree certificate a.k.a Birth Certificate! So, I agree with you, dear. Don’t worry, I wont harm you. The worst that I would do would be..uhm…take you out for a date and kiss you? You don’t have to reply this.

My point is, youre right and I agree with your statement. I do not see any reasons why you need a flak jacket .

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Sorry your thought is WRONG. Without a cert, the "Persian" is not a Persian. I said this because you cant prove it besides, there are non-pedigree cats that look like Pedigree Cats. If all look-alike cats can be called as Pedigree Names, imagine what will happen?

I think I have said this before. To know our real race etc are from our IDs and the birth certificate. If you guys follow by the look, I can bet that 90% of you would think that I am not a Malay! Tht is why Identification is important.

Non-pedigree is the term we usually use to tell people that the cats are not Pedigree - it is a common term and I often use it. But I also use "DLH and DSH" to define the length of their hairs/coats - whether they are short or long.

Look at the photo below, me and Trey.

How I define Trey to people. "Trey is a non pedigree cat. He is a domestic longhair".

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My Boys:- Trey Joshua Jay (DLH); Leroy Allen Jay (MCO); William Henry Jay (MCO)

hey.... this story sounds familiar. let me guess, B owns a petshop rite??

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I think the only logical explaination why we in the forum resorted to use DLH, DSH and DSLH is because some of the "breeder" here are selling non ped cats but labeling them as though the cat is a pedigree. that is a total lies.

sadly to said we malaysian are quite greedy lots when its comes to making money.

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Not unless the parents' DNA was stored on a database, I suggest.

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Quite possibly, and breeder A is as corrupt as B!

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I am!!!! (And that includes a passion for line-chasing and history, generally!) Point taken about the Chinese mentality you cite. It's so wrong to tar all with the same brush, but I must say $$$$$ have come across as important in various of my experiences.

You may well have a point about western cat fancies being (top an extent) self-regulating. However, there's a tradition there which cannot yet exist in S E Asia..... the oldest real fancy being S'pore Cat Club, followed by MCC. That's only the odd 30 years!

So, you're an architect? So was my husband (now retired) but his partner, Patrick Yeung, did various projects in China.

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What if a not-so-good quality kitten is registered as pedigree simply because its parents are pedigree? Doesn't it defeat the purpose of pedigree in terms of standard/quality control?

I do not know much about cattery setup but I find the registration and approval process kinda trifling. All you need to do is pick a cattery name, register and pay. I think the relevant cat association should at least make sure the cattery setting as well as the breeding cats fullfil certain requirements or rules. A follow-up or monitor programme is also crucial to make sure what the breeders do is ethical adn right!

What do you guys think?