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Old 06-01-2005, 08:23 PM
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Long hair bengal do exist for sure, in fact 1 yr ago I hv contacted a breeder in US regarding this matter, someone quite reputable in bengal breeding with 15 or more yrs experience. He told me occassionally long bengal do come out fr a litter of a pure breed bengal, which does not mean they r any less bengal but only that they r not excepted in the breed standard. Long hair bengal allow 2 b show in future is quite new 2 me. CFA do not recognize bengal, only TICA.
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Okay..Ive seen long hair bengal...but as what coony said..bengal is not recognise by CFA..but the owner put it in show under domestic categories. Becoz its different from others.. but its failed while judging.

I did asked about the price and well it goes too high ..kononnya rare species....and they cross breed from the F3 bengal with long hair persian. The spot was nice.. very clear but the temperament..I have no idea.

I totally agreed with shiloh... when people talk about bengal..definately u think about wildness, fierce, spotted, short hair, nice and long body shape rite....but when you have something different as normal...what wud you feel? and I can say the bengal that Ive seen is too feminin to me even its a male..
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would like to know more about long haired bengal.pics on the net of bengals that i found so far only shows the short haired ones...anybody hav pics of long haired bengals to share? i imagine they would look like snow leopards, fluffy with gorgeous marbled coats...so mengancam one


Hi Raziel! The long hair bengal do exist.I have 2 of them.Their parent are both pure breed bengal that I brought them in from Australia.Both on them are spotted n I used to have kitten that are long hair with marble marking.Currently the older female are pregnant n sometimes I have 1 or 2 with long hair, if you are interested pls let me know.The price is almost the same with the shorthair bengal.
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Old 07-01-2005, 02:36 AM
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Hi Raziel! The long hair bengal do exist.I have 2 of them.Their parent are both pure breed bengal that I brought them in from Australia.Both on them are spotted n I used to have kitten that are long hair with marble marking.Currently the older female are pregnant n sometimes I have 1 or 2 with long hair, if you are interested pls let me know.The price is almost the same with the shorthair bengal.


thanx guys 4 the info tribal, how much do they cost? also, how do they look aftey they become an adult? do they hav shaggy coat or same as normal, just longer? can u show some pics of them?

if things go as planned, i might b able to hav a kitty with me this year who knows, mayb a bengal hehe
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Hi Raziel

This question got me thinking so much that I contacted Jean Mill - the owner of Millwood Cattery, where the Bengal breed was first developed.

Here is her email reply:

"Well, I certainly hope not. In building the Bengal breed, we had to use
cats from the dog pound with unknown ancestry. Thus we got blue, solid,
longhair, Siamese, classic tabby, etc. I had to cull severely to make a
breed at all, so longhairs were neutered and given away as pets. Alas,
these undesirable genes still crop up in lines that have not been cleansed
of them. Then people try to pass them off as rare and desirable to get some
money for them. Nonsense. If the breed permits snows AND longhaired
Bengals, they will look exactly like a Himalayan, not a Bengal, or like a
blue Persian, etc. Some people are pushing for solid black Bengals which
don't even have spots. If anything is acceptable, then there is no breed.

Your friend is mistaken. The spotted pattern (like the marbled) is entirely
independent of the fur length. But does the world really want longhaired
Boxer dogs, or longhaired Dobermans??? Sure you can make them, but why????

Thanks for asking,
Jean Mill "

If you like I can forward you her actual email - send me your email address.

So consider carefully and do not get conned. Long-haired cats are not bengals and do not conform. They are neutered to stop this undesirable trait from being passed on; and given out as pets.

Hope this helps. Perhaps you'd like to contact Jean Mills yourself - I can pm her email address to you.

Shiloh
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Hi Shiloh,
Thanks for taking the trouble to contact Jean to enquire. Well, what can I say about irresponsible people who simply cross-breed the cats without do a bit of research. All they want is just money n nothing more. Cross-breeds might look nice but how abt their genetic structure? Would you want a good looking cat but always got health or behaviour problem?

Then again... who would care since they won't know until they had to go through the painstaking process later...
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Hi Raziel

This question got me thinking so much that I contacted Jean Mill - the owner of Millwood Cattery, where the Bengal breed was first developed.

Here is her email reply:

"Well, I certainly hope not. In building the Bengal breed, we had to use
cats from the dog pound with unknown ancestry. Thus we got blue, solid,
longhair, Siamese, classic tabby, etc. I had to cull severely to make a
breed at all, so longhairs were neutered and given away as pets. Alas,
these undesirable genes still crop up in lines that have not been cleansed
of them. Then people try to pass them off as rare and desirable to get some
money for them. Nonsense. If the breed permits snows AND longhaired
Bengals, they will look exactly like a Himalayan, not a Bengal, or like a
blue Persian, etc. Some people are pushing for solid black Bengals which
don't even have spots. If anything is acceptable, then there is no breed.

Your friend is mistaken. The spotted pattern (like the marbled) is entirely
independent of the fur length. But does the world really want longhaired
Boxer dogs, or longhaired Dobermans??? Sure you can make them, but why????

Thanks for asking,
Jean Mill "

If you like I can forward you her actual email - send me your email address.

So consider carefully and do not get conned. Long-haired cats are not bengals and do not conform. They are neutered to stop this undesirable trait from being passed on; and given out as pets.

Hope this helps. Perhaps you'd like to contact Jean Mills yourself - I can pm her email address to you.

Shiloh


thanx shiloh...pls forward it to soul_itude@yahoo.com

so,the long hair is undesirable trait n given out as pets,meaning responsible breeder wont charge them as much as normal bengal rite? i certainly dont mind having one if the price is not exorbitant, or even better given out 4 free furthermore im looking 4 a pet cat only,not 4 breeding/showing, so neutered is cool.
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Hi! Rizal.This is my long hair Bengal that I mentioned to you.She is now 2 year plus.Hope you get some idea of the cat.
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Hi Raziel

This question got me thinking so much that I contacted Jean Mill - the owner of Millwood Cattery, where the Bengal breed was first developed.

Here is her email reply:

"Well, I certainly hope not. In building the Bengal breed, we had to use
cats from the dog pound with unknown ancestry. Thus we got blue, solid,
longhair, Siamese, classic tabby, etc. I had to cull severely to make a
breed at all, so longhairs were neutered and given away as pets. Alas,
these undesirable genes still crop up in lines that have not been cleansed
of them. Then people try to pass them off as rare and desirable to get some
money for them. Nonsense. If the breed permits snows AND longhaired
Bengals, they will look exactly like a Himalayan, not a Bengal, or like a
blue Persian, etc. Some people are pushing for solid black Bengals which
don't even have spots. If anything is acceptable, then there is no breed.

Your friend is mistaken. The spotted pattern (like the marbled) is entirely
independent of the fur length. But does the world really want longhaired
Boxer dogs, or longhaired Dobermans??? Sure you can make them, but why????

Thanks for asking,
Jean Mill "

If you like I can forward you her actual email - send me your email address.

So consider carefully and do not get conned. Long-haired cats are not bengals and do not conform. They are neutered to stop this undesirable trait from being passed on; and given out as pets.

Hope this helps. Perhaps you'd like to contact Jean Mills yourself - I can pm her email address to you.

Shiloh

Hey Shiloh! Nobody is trying to conned anybody here.This is a personal interested sama ada seseorg suka long hair or shorthair. Not everybody buy a cat because they want them to be in cat show.they want them because of their beauty and companionship.So what is wrong having a long hair bengal?Why did people go for exotic shorthair instead of longhair persian?
You talk so much about the breed standard macam you ini expert in Bengal or any other pedigree cat.Kalau macam itu you should not keep any "kuching kampong or mixed persian" in your house.Itu ta da standard!! Go for pedigree cats with SHOW QUALITY. Baru you can talk about standard.Itu pun kalau u mampu.
Breeder di US itu ketinggalan zaman.Fikiran sempit! Stick to her old rule! She is so old fashion she dont try new thing.Look at other breeder in US which produce Silver Bengal or Savannah (cross between African Serval and Bengal).Look at their beauty.They took years to produce this type of cat and who care if they are not accepted in all fancy cat club.What they want is their beauty and reward.So what wrong with that? Hey Shilol open up your mind.Jangan sempit sangat!!Kita ini nak ke Wawasan 2020.Jgn ketinggalan!
Another thing! Neutered and gave away as pets! Nothing is free in this world except the air you breath. Cat Adoption must pay too.

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Yo yo yo Tribal,
Cool down man... no need to be upset lah brader . Actually no one is really in expert in here. We just share opinions n i believed Shiloh is not accusing anyone or anything. She is just concerned aje like most of us here. Some of us perhaps tak pernah dengar long haried bengal (including myself) but that is ok. In my opinion, tak semestinya something yg blum ko dengar, mesti tak exist kan. Tak de org kata u tipu just concern kalau ditipu. Itu saja. take it easy man.

As i mentioned before, sometimes cross-breed nie kena jaga2 sikit sebab takut dapat offspring yg krg sihat dan senang dapat penyakit due to genetic mutation. Itu concern kitorang di sini.

Anyway, bengal ko nie, ko masuk dalam cage wrap ngan plastik ke (kalau tak silap aku lihat lah). u letak luar umah ke? tak takut kena cat-napped?
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