Masih perlukan pidegree cert untuk reg anak walaupun parent dia dah reg kalau nak reg anak tu sendiri, tul tak? Parent reg tapi breeder tak bagi pidegree cert untuk tunjuk asal baka anak tu, kita tak leh reg juga. Pernah terbaca T&C jual beli kucing, di mana pembeli kena dan buktikan yang kitten dineuter then breeder bagi pidegree cert utk reg kitten tu.

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Yup, camtu lah.

Both patrent must be registered pedigree cats (Pengecualian untuk baka baru yg belum tutup lg studbook nya)
Breeder akan laporkan kelahiran kepada badan pendaftar ie. CFA, TICA atau FIFE.
Proses ni kita panggil litter registration.

Masa ni kitten tu takde nama berdaftar lg, untuk memberi nama breeder perlu buat Individual registration lak.

kedua2 proses ni boleh berjalan serentak atau berasingan.

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apa kata pakar-pakar dalam forum ni buat penjelasan yg sebenar-benarnya mengenai pemberian cert ni, sebab apa yang saya nampak ramai yg ingat kucing tu boleh senang senang je gi register. so harap ada yang akan memberikan penjelasan yg panjang lebar mengenai pendaftaran ni.

It's really quite simple:

But first some clarifications...

1. Post #4 of this thread shows a CERTIFICATE of registration. This proves that the cat is purebred and it's ancestry can be traced.

2. Post #6 of this thread shows the cat's pedigree (3 generations). If the kitten has this (original) but no certificate of registration, you can register the kitten/cat (but why the cat should have a pedigree and no registration I don't understand la since registration is cheaper than getting the pedigree)

3. Post #7 of this thread shows the cat's pedigree (5 generations). Depending on breed, you can register this cat/kitten definitely with TICA but not necessarily with CFA. In this example, it's an SBT Bengal so no registration with CFA but you can register the cat with TICA, FIFe and the like.

Now - depending on breed*:

A. If the breeder has a registered male** and a registered female** of the correct breeds, any resulting kittens can be registered with the breeder's registry - be it a local cat club or international registry, provided that the cat(s) can be proven to be registered with that registry.

eg. Registered Aby male x registered Aby female = registerable Aby kittens.

B. If the breeder is registered with one registry (eg. TICA) you CAN register your cats with another registry provided:

i) The breed is approved by the second registry
ii) You have the correct # of generation pedigree to do so.

eg. A TICA/FIFE/ACF/JPCU registered Abyssinian can be registered with CFA provided you submit an 8 generation pedigree.

C. Most "high class" pet shops offer a pedigree. However, these pedigrees are most often a breeders' pedigree (ie. printed from their own home computers) and is not issued by a club or registering body. 99% of the time the cats are of pet quality and the breeder has no interest in registering the cats in the first place. You can get the cat registered IF you put in the effort, time and additional money to get the breeder (not seller) to send you a pedigree from a recognised club and/or registry.

* Some breeds are not recognised by some International registries - for example: CFA does not recognise Bengals, Savannahs, Munchkins. Some cross breed matings are also not recognised by certain registries. It is best to check to see whether the cat is registerable in the first place!

** If a cat's registration has been marked "Not for Breeding" (in other words, the cat should have been neutered long before it was even allowed to breed) then any resulting kittens CANNOT be registered.

You can register a cat with as many registries as you desire provided that that cat's breed is accepted by the different registries...that choice is up to the breeder and/or owner of the cat.

Final example: Abyssinians are accepted by all registries (not all colors though). If I had the inclination, I could register ALL my Abys with MCC/FIFe/ TICA/GCCF/ACF if I so desire.

ETA. This post assumes that the breeder has already a cattery registered with a registering body, be it club or an international cat registry.

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It is an ethical breeder's duty to register (or at the very least litter register) ALL kittens.

Depending on the buy/sell contract (if there is one), most breeders will neuter the kitten first before selling. However some breeders of slow maturing breeds (eg. Maine Coons) may withhold the Certificate of Registration until proof of neutering is done.

Most ethical breeders will sell a cat with at the very least, the promise of a Certificate of Registration (depending on the terms of the contract). Not all breeders will sell a cat with an original pedigree (myself included). Original CFA pedigrees cost US$20 for 3 generations.

Some breeders will NOT register a kitten because some owners do not require it - and the assumption for most people is that it makes the price of the kitten cheaper...(CFA registration cost max US$12. If you register the kitten(s) early, it costs US$8 per kitten, to me an illogical argument for not registering a cat).

However, if you had purchased a kitten from a breeder without the Certificate of Registration (as agreed upon originally), you can ask the breeder later for the cat to be registered.

I hope this makes sense!

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Thanks for the translation, Abymummy!

Re the above - if those pet shop cats/kittens are from Oz, you're VERY unlikely to be able to get official papers for them. (Yep - they usually come with a breeder's ped, which could be a wonderfully creative piece of work!)

Point is that very often the litters/kittens weren't registered in order for them not to be able to be traced back to the breeder who is acting in breach of ethics by participating in the pet trade to S E A. They're hardly likely to go back to their registry and say "Hey - I had this litter a year ago which I forgot to register...here's the money and can you now transfer that cat to XYZ in Malaysia, please?"

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Indeed - I know a few persons whom have tried and failed to register very expensive pet shop cats...

In any respect, a Registration Cert of a cat marked "Not for Breeding"

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TQ Abymummy for the info.

There is a choice of four pedigree printouts. Four and five generation, with and without the photographs of the sire and dam of the chosen cat. Champions are coloured red, non-champions in black. The font type used on the printout is selectable.
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