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Old 17-03-2005, 09:59 AM
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Talking nasihat yg panjang lebar tp x tau bleh pakai ke tak

hai pb...

bukannye tak boleh jual kat org beranak kecil... tak semua budak kecil jahat. kata org bapak borek anak rintik... kalau anaknya tarik ekor kucing mak bapak dia buat bodoh pb still jual kat diorg, bleh ko kitten tu nanti...

utk mengelakkan buyer yg tak berapa bagus ni, try conduct phone interview dulu, tak pun ber-email-lah sampai pb berpuashati. bukannye susah sgt nak tau isi hati org ni... kan ramai jugak forumer2 yg beli kitten dr overseas, try tanye kat diorg mcm mana breeder sana conduct interview walau jauh beribu batu...

bukannye sbb kucing tu purebred mcm kucing billmeow je kena interview, kalau you sayang kat kucing mixed you pun kena jugak sebenarnya. org conduct interview utk memastikan kitten tu jatuh ke tangan yg boleh menjaganya dgn baik, bukan sbb duit juga. kalau sbb duit kalau you bukak petshop jual kucing lg senang kan?

org kalau nak bg free pun kalau dia sayang lg kan kucing dia pun dia conduct interview. tp my cats yg kena rehome tu takde interview dgn previous owner diorg coz my friend yg rehome tu really trust me. so i get good reference la. yg tu another way, pb cari buyer thru catloving friends. biasanye org akan recommend org yg bagus shj kan?

kalau pb malas nak conduct interview, try cari org yg boleh dipercayai utk conduct interview on your behalf. pastu bg la dia sekor yg dia suka ke, belanja makan ke...

kalau taknak gak, tutp kedai case closed
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Old 17-03-2005, 10:53 AM
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Default bahasa apa? itu bahasa brunei lah

kecik, catalina,
bahasa yg saya dan PB guna ialah bahasa brunei.

others,
Pasal jual kucing kpd org ada anak kecil ni? hmm entahlah, susah nak comment, tapi sebenarnya terpulang pada keluarga tu sendiri. saya ada anak umur 2 tahun, nakal yg amat sangat (tanya AFI dan CrazyCat masa saya pegi rumah they, (yelah budak tengah naik, macam macam benda dia nak belajar) walaupun dia perempuan tapi sebenarnya kita sebagai ibubapalah yg bentuk dia. ajar dia dan sebagainya.

berbalik pada kucing, saya ada 2 ekor kucing, satu umur 2 bulan lebih (baru beli 2 minggu lepas dari CrazyCat - kucing ni hyper dan busybody, hehe) dan sekor lagi 5 bulan (dia ni easy going dan manja terlebih) lebih so far anak saya ok je main. walaupun ada kalanya kasar tapi kita kena monitorlah apa yg dia buat then tegur dan betulkan although budak ni kadangkala dia faham tapi saja je buat dek biasalah nak create attention.

2 ekor kucing ni mmg totally indoor. kalau keluar pun akan didukung oleh wife dia tak bagi pijak tanah, takut kotor katanya (hehe padahal yg mandikan selalu saya (those cat mandi once a week). lagipun ada stray cat kat luar so takutlah benda yg tak elok jadi.

PB: kadiaku di putrajaya ok bah, biskita kalau dtg ke putrajaya mun menyinggah ke alamanda agatah singgah ke rumah, rumah kadiaku dekat alamanda...hehe....biniku org selangor...
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Old 17-03-2005, 11:28 AM
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Pasal jual kucing kpd org ada anak kecil ni? hmm entahlah, susah nak comment, tapi sebenarnya terpulang pada keluarga tu sendiri. saya ada anak umur 2 tahun, nakal yg amat sangat (tanya AFI dan CrazyCat masa saya pegi rumah they, (yelah budak tengah naik, macam macam benda dia nak belajar) walaupun dia perempuan tapi sebenarnya kita sebagai ibubapalah yg bentuk dia. ajar dia dan sebagainya.



seperti yg dikatakan seperti yg sebelumnya, cara anak2 treat haiwan adalah seperti ibu bapanya treat haiwan. kalau ibu bapanya melayan haiwan dgn bagus, pasti anak2nye mengikut. kalau ibu bapanya suka dera haiwan, ada kemungkinan besar tindakan anaknya lebih kurang sama je

bukan nak cakap apa, tp anak2 kecil tak terdedah sgt dgn dunia luar lg, dia akan ikut perangai org yg menjaga dan mengajar dia...

bolehkah anak2 yg dibiasakan dgn cara hidup yg kasar menjadi lemah lembut atau sebaliknya?

walaupun saya belum kahwin dan takde anak lg melainkan anak2 kucing, tp saya ada ramai anak2 saudara. i observe their behaviour
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Old 17-03-2005, 02:43 PM
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Default terima kasih!!!

terima kasih semua...

saya rasa nak tutup la forum what breed? ni, sebab nanti memalukan orang yang berkenaan... saya boleh rasa buyer tu dah tinjau forum ni dari luar... tak nak sakitkan hati sesiapa dah, kalau terasa minta maaf banyak-banyak...

kepada buyer tu, semoga dapat kitten flatface lebih cantik dari si oscar tu... kan awak cakap boleh dapat 2 ekor macam si oscar tu dengan harga rm200 kat kl... semoga bergembira dengan kitten-kitten baru awak...

nanti saya akan memasukkan pic c oscar ni dari semasa ke semasa, catalina, kecik, beekgurl, horatio, pingu dan ree terima kasih banyak-banyak... lebih baik ceriakan hidup dengan cerita gembira... malas nak fikir benda-benda yang sedih-sedih ni...

nama oscar tu dah tukar jadi stacey... mak suruh tukar nama dia, kononnya supaya dia sihat... tapi jangan laa percaya yeee...

p/s : bisai-bisai tah biskita kau duduk di alamanda atu... sudah beranak pulak tu, anak kita pandai bakurapak barunai ka inda ni... aku pon kurapak barunai udah lupa sadikit-sadikit... duduk 7 taun udah ku manatap di melayah ani... eh bukan manatap, tapi balajar baa...
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Old 17-03-2005, 03:19 PM
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Dear PB,

Bila Stacey dah baik dan gebu nanti jgn lupe masukkan photo skali dengan karenah2 die eh - kalau boleh dalam bahagian "Me and my cat"
Can't wait to read more about Stacey. Moga-moga sembuh cepat!!
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Old 17-03-2005, 05:34 PM
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Talking back to what breed...

hai dina...

perhaps this article can help

http://www.breedlist.com/faq/purebred.html

anyway, here's the whole article

Is my cat a purebred?
You've adopted a cat from a friend, a shelter, your veterinarian. Looking at your cat, it's so beautiful that you think it must be a purebred. Looking at a chart on the wall or at pictures in a book, you're sure you found the cat. It must be a purebred . . . or is it?

While this is possible you found a "shelter purebred", there are many reasons why this is very unlikely. Let me explain a bit about the meaning of breeds . . . at least where cats are concerned.

According to the Cat Fanciers Association (CFA), fewer than 3% of all owned cats worldwide are pedigreed. Note that they say "owned". This does not count for the millions of homeless stray and feral domestic cats worldwide. If these estimates were factored in, fewer than 1% of all domestic cats are the result of a purebred breeding program.

Out of all registered purebred cats, more than half are Persians. Some *colors* of Persians account for more litters each year than some entire breeds. In 1998, CFA registered 18,332 Persian kittens born that year (not of the Himalayan pattern) -- compare that to the smallest breed, the European Burmese, which registered a mere 39 kittens the same year.

There is a crucial difference between breeds and traits. A particular breed of cat may almost always have a particular trait, but not every cat with that trait is a member of that breed.

For example, the trait of solid blue coloration is common to four breeds: Korat, Russian Blue, Chartreux, and British Shorthair. However, these four breeds are very, very different from one another -- in body type, boning, facial structure, eye shape and color, and general conformation. They are also very rare breeds, particularly in the United States (the British Blue is not that uncommon in Britain, and the Russian Blue is more common in Scandanavia. The Chartreux and Korat are particularly rare; CFA registered only 222 Chartreux kittens and 85 Korat kittens WORLDWIDE in 1998).

Blue coloration is also very common in the mixed-breed cat population at large. Genetically, it is the "dilute" form of black: a "blue" is a solid black cat with one gene that changes the look of the color in such a way that the cat appears an attractive shade of blue-gray. Black is the most common genetic color in cats. In other words, more than 99% of all blue cats are from the general (non-pedigreed) cat population.

Another common trait that is mistaken for a purebred is the so-called Manx trait, or complete to partial taillessness. This dominant trait is found in the random-bred population as well as the purebred Manx population (My sister's mother-in-law has a colony of tailless barn cats at her Northern New York dairy farm. They aren't purebreds at all).

Taillessness can also occur from accidents. Your vet should be able to tell you if the taillessness is from an accident or if the cat was born that way.

Just over 700 pedigreed Manx kittens were registered in 1998. Again, that's worldwide. There are far more tailless cats than can be accounted for in this fashion.

Breed is not about traits as much as it is about pedigree. A cat is a member of a breed because its parents were registered members of that breed. Without papers to say that a cat is a member of a breed, there is absolutely no way to say for certain that a cat is a member of a breed. The most accurate thing you can say about them is that they are a breed look-alike.

Breed is also an artificial distinction, and one that has only been present when talking about cats for a little over a century. Some breeds' existences can be traced back fewer than ten years. Unlike dog breeds, cat breeds are a relatively new concept and phenomenon. Many are imports from other countries. It's only been in the last 20 years we've seen the diversity that makes up most of our cat breeds today.

One thing that's also important to note is that almost every breed of purebred cat started from domestic populations. It was a desire to create a breed of cat that would be predictable in looks and temperament that led people to search the domestic cat populations for selective breeding. For example, many people think that every large longhaired cat is a Maine Coon, but those who actually have pedigrees are few and far between. However, the Maine Coon was created from hardy longhaired *mixed-breed* cats several decades ago, so the chances are that large longhaired mixed-breed cats and today's fancy show cats shared common ancestors. (Hey, I'm a direct descendent of Charlemagne. It can happen!)

So . . . chances are that your cat isn't a purebred. Without papers, there is no way to prove your cat is a member of a breed. I hope you aren't disappointed by this information. But I think that it's one of the things that makes cats special -- most of them are their own, unique creations.
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hai dina...

perhaps this article can help

http://www.breedlist.com/faq/purebred.html

anyway, here's the whole article

Is my cat a purebred?
You've adopted a cat from a friend, a shelter, your veterinarian. Looking at your cat, it's so beautiful that you think it must be a purebred. Looking at a chart on the wall or at pictures in a book, you're sure you found the cat. It must be a purebred . . . or is it?

While this is possible you found a "shelter purebred", there are many reasons why this is very unlikely. Let me explain a bit about the meaning of breeds . . . at least where cats are concerned.

According to the Cat Fanciers Association (CFA), fewer than 3% of all owned cats worldwide are pedigreed. Note that they say "owned". This does not count for the millions of homeless stray and feral domestic cats worldwide. If these estimates were factored in, fewer than 1% of all domestic cats are the result of a purebred breeding program.

Out of all registered purebred cats, more than half are Persians. Some *colors* of Persians account for more litters each year than some entire breeds. In 1998, CFA registered 18,332 Persian kittens born that year (not of the Himalayan pattern) -- compare that to the smallest breed, the European Burmese, which registered a mere 39 kittens the same year.

There is a crucial difference between breeds and traits. A particular breed of cat may almost always have a particular trait, but not every cat with that trait is a member of that breed.

For example, the trait of solid blue coloration is common to four breeds: Korat, Russian Blue, Chartreux, and British Shorthair. However, these four breeds are very, very different from one another -- in body type, boning, facial structure, eye shape and color, and general conformation. They are also very rare breeds, particularly in the United States (the British Blue is not that uncommon in Britain, and the Russian Blue is more common in Scandanavia. The Chartreux and Korat are particularly rare; CFA registered only 222 Chartreux kittens and 85 Korat kittens WORLDWIDE in 1998).

Blue coloration is also very common in the mixed-breed cat population at large. Genetically, it is the "dilute" form of black: a "blue" is a solid black cat with one gene that changes the look of the color in such a way that the cat appears an attractive shade of blue-gray. Black is the most common genetic color in cats. In other words, more than 99% of all blue cats are from the general (non-pedigreed) cat population.

Another common trait that is mistaken for a purebred is the so-called Manx trait, or complete to partial taillessness. This dominant trait is found in the random-bred population as well as the purebred Manx population (My sister's mother-in-law has a colony of tailless barn cats at her Northern New York dairy farm. They aren't purebreds at all).

Taillessness can also occur from accidents. Your vet should be able to tell you if the taillessness is from an accident or if the cat was born that way.

Just over 700 pedigreed Manx kittens were registered in 1998. Again, that's worldwide. There are far more tailless cats than can be accounted for in this fashion.

Breed is not about traits as much as it is about pedigree. A cat is a member of a breed because its parents were registered members of that breed. Without papers to say that a cat is a member of a breed, there is absolutely no way to say for certain that a cat is a member of a breed. The most accurate thing you can say about them is that they are a breed look-alike.

Breed is also an artificial distinction, and one that has only been present when talking about cats for a little over a century. Some breeds' existences can be traced back fewer than ten years. Unlike dog breeds, cat breeds are a relatively new concept and phenomenon. Many are imports from other countries. It's only been in the last 20 years we've seen the diversity that makes up most of our cat breeds today.

One thing that's also important to note is that almost every breed of purebred cat started from domestic populations. It was a desire to create a breed of cat that would be predictable in looks and temperament that led people to search the domestic cat populations for selective breeding. For example, many people think that every large longhaired cat is a Maine Coon, but those who actually have pedigrees are few and far between. However, the Maine Coon was created from hardy longhaired *mixed-breed* cats several decades ago, so the chances are that large longhaired mixed-breed cats and today's fancy show cats shared common ancestors. (Hey, I'm a direct descendent of Charlemagne. It can happen!)

So . . . chances are that your cat isn't a purebred. Without papers, there is no way to prove your cat is a member of a breed. I hope you aren't disappointed by this information. But I think that it's one of the things that makes cats special -- most of them are their own, unique creations.


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Your Precious is a mixed local Siamese. I have 2 Tonkinese. Attached are their photos. Seen the different between their boby, tail and coat as compare to your Precious. Tonkinese also has green or blue-greenish eyes.

You cannot claim your cat is so and so breed unless you know what breed its parents, grandparents, great grandparents and so on are. (i.e what breed is its ancestors are or were). If it is pedigree cat then you know for sure what breed it is.


siamese?? i thought siamese cam kecik i mean, kurus n all that.. maybe just the color je kot... hmm.. thx tho
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Very informative article. Keep it coming.

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