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Old 28-03-2005, 08:47 PM
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have any of the forummers had this happen - shorthaired parent cats producing medium or long haired kittens?

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Old 28-03-2005, 09:07 PM
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Catalina is correct. Shorthair parents will only produce medium and long haired kittens if both parents carries longhair gene. That mean at least one of the parents' ancestor must be of longhaired cat. You usually won't be able to tell if the shorthaired cats carries longhaired gene except may be they have bigger size, thicker and smoother coat.
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Old 30-03-2005, 01:18 AM
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Overseas people ni tak sama macam kiter...
Kiter panggil Persian X (cross)... depa panggil domestic long hair... lawak jer
To us domestik tu kira kucing kampung but to them domestic long hair tu untuk kucing bulu panjang yang tak tau asal-usulnya.Cross atau mix hanya untuk kucing yang known parents exaple:

Persian mix Mainecoon

So kalo kiter tanya Mat Salleh

" What breed of cats did you have ?"

Dier akan kater

" I got Persian mix Mainecoon "
or
" I got Birman mix Somali"
Bukannya I got Persian cross or mix. Kalo you tau yang mak dier Persian tapi father tak tau breed aper then it consider domestic long hair walaupun bulu dier gebu giler.


thts fast n clear...i learn new thgs again today...thks cc !
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Old 30-03-2005, 01:20 AM
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Domestic longhair is a term to describe all longhair cats, which don’t belong to any breed standard, strictly speaking especially in cat show, all cats without pedigree certificate is called domestic longhair cats. Domestic longhair cats do exist naturally in the cooler climate as do our domestic shorthair cats here.

Persian cross or any longhair cross don’t necessary produce domestic longhair cats, especially cross with shorthair cats, their kittens are more likely to be domestic shorthair than longhairs. Because longhair is a recessive gene and unless both parents have the longhair gene, their kittens will be shorthairs.

For our society, it is easier for people to understand if you describe crossbred kittens as certain breed X certain breed (e.g. Persian X Maine Coon). If the father is unknown then certain breed cross (e.g. Persian cross) rather than just Persian kittens. Mind you, most people don’t know if their Persian cat is a Persian cross or domestic longhair. The kittens they produced are in fact Persian cross, cross or domestic longhair. Of cause there is no Persian XX just domestic longhair cat.


wow...another sifu....thks
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Old 30-03-2005, 11:11 AM
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wow...another sifu....thks


basically... a domestic long hair is a cat yg tak de proven certificate of breed... n normally they are the results of we human buat rojak la... if only we are as ethical as the breeders at the other side of the globe....

they are also known as household pet.. but even if u hv a persian tapi tak de paper to certify.. if u masuk cat show.. it will go under the category of domestic longhair or novice..... same with other breeds too... but normally all these pure breeds yg tak de paper kalau dorang masuk category domestic longhair they don stand a chance to menang simply becos.. correct me if m wrong.. one judge from Holland, Lee Selassa told me once that "a domestic long hair cats has to look domestic and with no resemblance to any pure breed..."

so since domestic shorthair has already existed.. so they are called domestic longhair due to the long coat... similar to other pure breeds like scottish fold, munchkin etc... they start off as shorthair but now u can also find them as long hair....

in terms of genetic.. it is very much depends on whether it is a dominan genes or a recessive genes....

on general... longhair genes are normally recessive while shorthair genes are dominan.. so in most cases that I have come across a long hair male and a short hair female will normally produced short haired kittens but there are also cases where the kittens are all long hair... so again.. as much as it is "nature's rule" it still depends on the genetic factor... and the Almighty..

as u know for most msian.. all long hair cats are persians... however.. the beauty about cats are.. to them.. doesnt what breed they belong too.. they nvr look at another cat as according to breed.. to one cat.. another cat is just another cat...
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basically... a domestic long hair is a cat yg tak de proven certificate of breed... n normally they are the results of we human buat rojak la... if only we are as ethical as the breeders at the other side of the globe....

they are also known as household pet.. but even if u hv a persian tapi tak de paper to certify.. if u masuk cat show.. it will go under the category of domestic longhair or novice..... same with other breeds too... but normally all these pure breeds yg tak de paper kalau dorang masuk category domestic longhair they don stand a chance to menang simply becos.. correct me if m wrong.. one judge from Holland, Lee Selassa told me once that "a domestic long hair cats has to look domestic and with no resemblance to any pure breed..."

on general... longhair genes are normally recessive while shorthair genes are dominan.. so in most cases that I have come across a long hair male and a short hair female will normally produced short haired kittens but there are also cases where the kittens are all long hair...



You are rite Kak Sha..I heard bout that too.... Domestic long hair cats has to look domestic and with no resemblance to any pure breed. That was in show 2004 rite?...I was there ...
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If "a domestic long hair cats has to look domestic and with no resemblance to any pure breed..." where do you put cats that are pure breed but don’t have the pedigree cert.? I thought what the judges look for in domestic cats are the general health, cleanliness and temperament and character of the cat. I put my Burmese under domestic shorthair last Kuching Cat Show and she came first in the female open.
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Catalina, I couldn't agree with you more. To most Malaysian even most cat lovers, there are only kampung cat, Siamese and Persian.

No, not only Malaysians. Most other citizens won't be aware of the difference of one breed to another, say a russian blue to a BSH cos they are not immersed in 'cat culture'. I had to educate my partner regarding the different sorts of breeds.
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so, i would like to ask, can a DLH, be entered into a cat show here? Even though it does not have any sort of certification whatsoever? please elaborate, anybody with in-depthy experience...appreciate it loads.
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so, i would like to ask, can a DLH, be entered into a cat show here? Even though it does not have any sort of certification whatsoever? please elaborate, anybody with in-depthy experience...appreciate it loads.



yes u can put them under DHL catergory.
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