i know that it is a bit unfair for persian or any other pure breeds who doesnt have pedigrees to compete under domestic longhair... that is why there is the Novice category.. this is a special category for pure breed cats without a certificate... but apparently the competition is always very stiff as it is an open class..

meaning that pure breed of various breed will compete for best novice... 3 times best novice from 3 different judges.. the cat will be given a certification of pedigree... but after 3 times if the cat didnt manage to get certified if he or she wants to enter shows they have to go under the domestic longhair or shorthair category accordingly.. on the 3 times.. it is not necessary consequtive.. if he gots 2 excellent in 2 shows n miss at one show.. he or she has another chance at the next show...

local judges are not particular but for most international judges they would go for a "true and real" domestic looking cats because the truth is they belongs with the pedigree but due to non-existence of certificate they end up at the domestic long hair or short hair category....

r u referring to the Sarawak Cat Show in December 2003? i was there too.. every category pedigree or non pedigree are on open class basis but segregated by the gender.. but for kittens it will be opened class male n female and will only differentiate by age.. 3-6 and 7-10... nevertheless there are a few ocassions where a pedigree cat with no paper was competing under domestic longhair been transferd to novice class category if the judge felt that the cats meets all the criteria.. it happens at that show..

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yup i did mentioned that at that show.. Judge Majj-Brit also said the same.. but Lee Selassa is from our show in 2000 in sunway pyramid...

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My Katt,
Thank you very much for very informative answer. That means I can enter my Burmese under Novice and hopefully they will be awarded a pedigree cert. Yes, I was referring to the 2003 Cat Show. I saw one very beautiful cat, it looks like the one in your website. Were you the one who I asked is you cat red silver tabby? This coming Kuching International Cat Show will be my first time for entering cats under pedigree category, really looking forwards to it. May be you could share with us your experience on how the show is normally run and what things should new exhibit be expecting.

tq mykatt...learnign a lot fr u 2. will print tis out for future refrences cos i am new to show ma...heheheh

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no prob ling fiy.. even i learn new things every day.... as they say the more you know about things the more you found out that there are still things that you don know.. u know what i mean.... lets guide and be guided... knowledge is about sharing..

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Yup, I was the chief steward for that show for domestic cats.. I was involved in the transfers of a few pure breeds who is competing in the domestics category to novice class...simply because the judge felt that they are so beautiful and meets all the criteria.. and the blue british shorthair kitten was one of the kittens competing in the novice class... beautiful.. if I am not mistaken the kitten got good feedbacks from the judges... Fabrice from France and Ally from Switzerland.. although the best novice was that Bengal kitten... was that british shorthair yours?

Perhaps I was the one Pussy.. really cant remember there were so many people there... I hope I have been "nice"....to you ... the 2 days shows were really tiring for me.... forgive me if i have not been nice enuf...

The Sarawak International Cat Competition co-organised by Sarawak State Govt and DBKU is normally once in 2 years.. there should be one this year...
For a 1st timer to cat shows... let me know what area would you like to know about 1. Preparation before show? 2. During show? ... perhaps i cud make it a new thread for sharing... m honoured to have the opportunity to share my limited experience with you.

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Banyak betul pengalaman Kak Sha nie...
Thank you so much kerana sharing some info and knowlegde ngan kita org kat sini...sesuatu yang baru bagi kami yang baru nak belajar masuk cat show nie..hehehehe
Please..kalau ada apa2 yang kami tak tau boleh lah tanya ca show sifu kita yang sorang nie kan......
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boleh pe salahnye crazy cat.. sesama la kita meng-guide and be guided... ksha started showing in early 1996 tapi actively showing cuma from 1998... okla... pengalaman tu adala sikit... dah banyak tengok kucing and tuan dia sekali ... macam-macam ragam... tapi kan ada ramai lagi orang lain yang ada byk lagi pengalaman dari ksha..... apa yg ksha boleh kongsi ksha kongsi... sesamala kita berkongsi eh..... so tanye je la..jangan malu...

after all KNOWLEDGE IS ABOUT SHARING...

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No, it wasn’t my British Shorthair. My cats only arrived on 31/12/03. I heard the Bengal kitten has passed away. I only talked briefly to this guy holding the cat I mentioned. I didn’t have the chance to talk to most West Malaysia participants.

It would be good if you can share your showing experience with us, thanks. I would like to know how the pedigree cats are judged? What is the procedure and etc? What is require of the owner before, during and may be after the show? Scottish Fold will be under none-FIFe category, how are they being judge differently from other FIFe categories?

Pedigree cats are judged according to their standards and profile set by FIFe. They will be divided according to breed and then segregated in different category such as Male Open, Female Open, Neuter Open, K6 - Kitten3-6 months & K10 - Kittens 7 - 10 months old and will be judged accordingly. Top of each category except for Neuter where they will not be competing for BEST OF BREED. All cats/kittens imported or malaysian bred will competing equally.

Excellence rewards or CAC are given based on colours variety. It is called Best in Variant. In Malaysia, we could not explore much in this area due to limitations of colours available that is why black cat are group together with blue cats. Assuming there are 5 cats with the same colour coding.. only one of the 5 cats will receive a CAC and this is not necessarily a wining cat. Remember! They are judged based on their colours group.

Then there is the Malaysian Breed Cat and Kitten category. This is an open category for all Msian breed pedigrees. Only the top of their category can compete.. participants will varies.. the participant may not be the 3rd or even 5th place cat because in pedigree category all important and msian bred compete together. And again they are divided between male and females and the top 1 will compete for BEST MALAYSIAN BREED .. frankly speaking this is most local breeders are aiming for...

As for Neuter cats.. they are judged on open class for all breed according to long hair and shorthair and pedigree and non pedigree... then of course the highest placing will be Best Neuter for pedigree and Best Neuter for non pedigree.. Not too worry if your cats are neutered.. they will be recognised and acknowleged as well.

As for Non-FIFE category.. they are all pedigree cats.. the reason why they are there is because it is not a recognised breed by FIFe. FIFe only recognised natural breed.. breed based on mutation or new experimented breed will have to be certified 1st before it will be recognised... (I will explain further on the breed certification later if you wanna know) They are also judged like the pedigrees.. based on standards and category like male, female, kittens etc. etc.. but the only things they could not compete for is for overall Best In Show Category - 1 and 2 place. But certification wise in terms of CAC, Best of Variant or Best of Breed will be the same.

In terms of preparation, more or else the same for pedigree or non pedigree. cleanlines.. nail clip, no flea, no open wound, no skin prob, no lice and no makeups, no alteration of colours through dye.. for long hair cats.. usage of too much powder is not advisable.. jes imagin all the dust everytime the judge hold the cat.. most judges dont like this.. you might loose points... for longhair cats.. bathe your cat at least one week before show.. or else the coat would not be much in show condition.. (grooming is best described with demonstration )

Interaction with judges on comments or advises can only be done after the shows. Judges will only see the cats and the listing once he/she is seated at the judging table. Remember, he has to be neutral and has no knowledge of the cat and owners.

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