Please, all those who battle so hard to explain the difference between a (say) persian and a DLH, be gentle with me! I've seen this issue debated SO many times, but I really feel that it's time to put the thing into focus as perhaps most of the rest of the world perceives the situation which arises so often!

I've seen SO many nondescript kittens on the forum with varying lengths of coat (and face!) which no doubt ARE DLH - in our terms, perhaps some are 'part pedigree'. But I've seen other cats which merely look like pet quality (or less) persians.

In the case of some, I'll bet DNA parentage testing would prove they are indeed 'persian', but the point here is that they are of unknown (or unverified) parentage and not registered anywhere, so they can't claim to be PEDIGREED. Different thing altogether.

Think this one through. If I were to breed a litter of exotics which I didn't register and for which I didn't issue pedigrees, would they cease to be exotics? No, I suggest! But they certainly couldn't be proven to be legit pedigree cats, because of the absence of the required paperwork.

Type doesn't always determine whether a cat is actually a specific breed or not (back to the eg of me selling unregistered exotics - they could still look to be very talented exotics, just as could exotics with long faces and long bodies can be 'legit'- they're still exotics, but simply bad ones!)

So, what I'm suggesting is that perhaps we might refer to 'pedigree' and 'non-pedigree'. The latter might look pretty and make nice pets, but they have no provenance, there's no record of their heritage and as such, they should NEVER be bred from, can't be shown as any particular breed and should cost relatively little! It's all a matter of cat fancy convention and rules, rather than appearance of the cat.

THis is just me explaining how the rest of the world perceives the situation which is so prevalent in S E Asia.

Oh, dear - where did I put my flak jacket??????????????? (Jay - be gentle with me!)

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Lesley (Tasmania)

........a non-pedigree persian, sounds ok to me..

How abt the rest shall we settle for Non-pedigree term ?

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Hmmm....
With paper (Cat registry paper) = pedigree
No paper (no prove of breed) = non pedigree.

This is find with LH cat that resembles more like Persian or Maine Coon or Birman or Ragdoll, you can call them as long as they have that look alike factor as : non pedigree Persian, non pedigree MC etc.

For shorthair?
If the Shorthair like an Aby, then of course we can call it non ped aby if it doesnt have pedigree paper...
What about the typical SH, with various color... the typical stray cats on the street? Non ped Exotic??

Why is it so hard to just accept the fact that cats without certificate from the cat's registry are called DOMESTIC CAT? It doesnt make it less a cat, it is sure as hell doesnt make the owner love them less, right?

So is that so hard? 2 types of cat in this world: Pedigree, domestic
And I love them both!

Which of these is domestic and which persian/british/whatever? (By forum definition)

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Which one has a pedigree paper?
If all has none; then all is domestic Pedigree is not based on the look, it's based on the certificate that come with the cat. No paper, no pedigree, no name calling

Even if cat doesnt look like much of the breed, if the cat has a pedigree paper, then the cat is still a pedigree, just maybe a pet quality (or a from a pet quality breeding).

So, it's all about the paper I think!

So Faieza, what will you call a Cornish Rex without cert ???

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If it has a very Cornish Lookalike feature, of course you can call it non ped cornish rex. But as if like so many ppl knows how Cornish rex looks like...

No paper, domestic cat, much much easier to remember!
It is such a shame for a cat who look so much like a Cornish Rex to be called a domestic cat right? But that's the painful truth, no cert, no name calling, no matter how much we know it is by DNA testing is a Cornish Rex.

Again my question, if this Cornish Rex do not have certificate, can someone sell him at a higher price than the typical domestic cat price? Just because he is actually a Cornish Rex?

Same goes like Persians, just put an example here. I breed Persians, all certs with good, top show quality. I breed and I have kittens.
So I sell the kittens, perfect conditions, show quality etc, BUT I dont register.

Sure as hell people knows that my kittens are pure Persian, but can I sell them at RM2500 neuter, without the certificate? But they are Persians right? Why can't I see them at that price?

But if I just call them Domestic cats, I have no choice to sell them a lot more cheaper right, because at the end of the day, eventho ppl knows that they are 100% Persian bloodline, but if I sell them without the certs, they would still be a domestic. And it will be sooooo crazy to sell a domestic cat at RM2500!!!

But why, if you had proper ped cats and were breeding super-duper kittens, wouldn't you be registering?

The Cornish example is a doozey - you can't accidentally be a CRX lookalike... but non-ped CRX would be appropriate, I think.

And this brings me to another point. How many registered breeders in Malaysia (wherever) test their cats for heritable diseases likely to strike their particular breed? That's also a part of 'proper' breeding and is surely one of the things you expect from a breeder charging RM2,500 or so!

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Lesley (Tasmania)

Everyone has own opinion and stand right,

For me,I agree with Comnycats,the term Pedigree and non-pedigree are more suitable to use,accepted world wide and it is a straight forward term(have cert and doesn`t have cert).

DLH is a term which is only used by us in M`sia,but nobody out there understand it,they usually call pedigree on non-pedigree.

Persian is still persian if it fullfill the requirements as persian.........eventhough no cert to prove it.This is only the matter of registration,I think.

So,it is our responsibility to make it clear.

Selling cheap or expensive....it is our decision........anybody can sell pedigree cat at cheap price if he/she insisted....no one can object it.....and no law to limit it...

bye.....

Haha, Lesley... beats me! If I'm a breeder I would. What's the point of not registering, right? If you can afford to buy thousands of dollars breeding cats, don't tell me you can't afford to register your cats for merely 50 dollars! (this is real life scenarios, Lesley)


Yeah of course, if one knows what Cornish Rex looks like. And one doesnt get cheated buying a non-ped Cornish Rex at a pedigree price Cornish Rex, after all they are all Cornish Rex, yes?



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