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Old 28-06-2006, 12:14 PM
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If loneliness/company was the only issue, I would also recommend rescuing or visiting an animal shelter.
At least there would be 1 less homeless cat.
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Old 28-06-2006, 12:33 PM
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First of all, I'm a little surprise at this site and the way people respond to things. I never once said my cat was a "pure pedigree" Persian and when we bought her it was because her owner was leaving the country and she gave it back to the pet store.She could've had papers but never handed it to the pet store? Lost them? Misplaced? Kept it as a memory? Maybe she was in a hurry that she forgot about it? According to many sites we've visited, including http://www.persian-cats.com/, not all pure Persians look like the one at the CFA.

When I said I wanted her to breed, it means reproduce. Look it up in the dictionary : American Heritage Dictionary : Breed - TRANSITIVE VERB : 1) To produce offspring; give birth to or hatch. Unlike some people who "breed" their cats primarily just to make easy money.

And the double standard you set for cats just because you assume they aren't "pedigree", is ridiculous. Did I SAY I wanted a pedigree? If a cat wasn't pedigree, does that make them less loveable or special? Does that mean they're not worth having kittens?

Lastly, the amount of talk about spaying is strange to me. My cats are indoors and I make sure they never go outside. If other owners were as responsible, the non-spayed/non-neutered cats would'nt be a problem with unwanted strays or kittens. How can you claim that you love your cats so much is you spay or neuter them? I find it hard to believe that many "cat lovers" say that declawing is inhumane but first thing they do to their cats is spay or neuter them. Any sensible human being would rather have their nails pulled out (with anaesthetic, of course) than lose their reproductive organs how do you know your cat doesn't feel that way too? You can't assume that just because it's an animal, it doesn't miss a part of him/her self. Reproducing is an instinct to every living organism from amoebas to plants to animals to human beings. So how can you say, Leslie, that they won't miss it? Were you a cat in your previous life? Can you read the cat's mind? Do you know what he/she's thinking? The answer is obviously *drum roll* No!


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If you are looking for a stud, kindly look at the pet stores, being a kitten mills or kitten mills supporters that they are, I am very sure they have contact numbers of those BYB. Here in this forum, we try to educate people about NEUTER/SPAYING, but it's actually up to the owner to do it.

Furthermore, this is not about pedigree vs domestic. This is about correct information being distributed. AND YES, Pesians are supposed to look like those in CFA website, there's no such thing as doll face persian actually, they are merely the result from pet quality breeding.

As a custodian of your cat, please think about the cat first. When you said you wanted her to have kittens to accompany her... DID YOUR CAT ACTUALLY TALK TO YOU AND ASK U TO FIND A MALE CAT SO THAT SHE COULD HAVE KITTENS AND WONT BE LONELY ANYMORE?
The answer is obviously *drum roll* No!


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Old 28-06-2006, 01:21 PM
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Lastly, the amount of talk about spaying is strange to me. My cats are indoors and I make sure they never go outside. If other owners were as responsible, the non-spayed/non-neutered cats would'nt be a problem with unwanted strays or kittens. How can you claim that you love your cats so much is you spay or neuter them? I find it hard to believe that many "cat lovers" say that declawing is inhumane but first thing they do to their cats is spay or neuter them. Any sensible human being would rather have their nails pulled out (with anaesthetic, of course) than lose their reproductive organs how do you know your cat doesn't feel that way too? You can't assume that just because it's an animal, it doesn't miss a part of him/her self. Reproducing is an instinct to every living organism from amoebas to plants to animals to human beings. So how can you say, Leslie, that they won't miss it? Were you a cat in your previous life? Can you read the cat's mind? Do you know what he/she's thinking? The answer is obviously *drum roll* No!


I can say that, Jean, because I've been a breeder for 42 years almost to the day. I have observed cats very intimately for all of those years and prior, when we had domestics. And yes - there are people worldwide who would say that I very probably CAN read a cat's mind - I'm known as something of a 'cat whisperer', without beating my own drum....only mention because you asked the Q.

You are actually anthropomorphising here, when you compare a cat's 'feelings' on a matter such as desexing to those of a human. A cat, to be perfectly frank, couldn't give a rodent's posterior about its reproductive organs not being there - particularly if they've never bred. If they HAVE, and are then desexed, yes, I've seen some pathos in females who try to steal others' kittens. I've known males which never stop the habit of spraying and therefore don't make good pets. If you're not a serious breeder, it's best to have neutered pets, neutered as kittens. And I repeat - what they don't know, they don't miss.

They make better pets and are safer - all it takes for a female (or a male on the prowl for that matter) to go missing or become roadkill is for someone to leave a door open for a second or two...or a window only slightly ajar.

You'll obviously go your own way on this one, but what a shame that YOUR anthropomorphic instincts and wishes are more important to you that consideration for your cats and cats at large.
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Lastly, the amount of talk about spaying is strange to me. My cats are indoors and I make sure they never go outside. If other owners were as responsible, the non-spayed/non-neutered cats would'nt be a problem with unwanted strays or kittens. How can you claim that you love your cats so much is you spay or neuter them? I find it hard to believe that many "cat lovers" say that declawing is inhumane but first thing they do to their cats is spay or neuter them. Any sensible human being would rather have their nails pulled out (with anaesthetic, of course) than lose their reproductive organs how do you know your cat doesn't feel that way too? You can't assume that just because it's an animal, it doesn't miss a part of him/her self. Reproducing is an instinct to every living organism from amoebas to plants to animals to human beings. So how can you say, Leslie, that they won't miss it? Were you a cat in your previous life? Can you read the cat's mind? Do you know what he/she's thinking? The answer is obviously *drum roll* No!


I can say that, Jean, because I've been a breeder for 42 years almost to the day. I have observed cats very intimately for all of those years and prior, when we had domestics. And yes - there are people worldwide who would say that I very probably CAN read a cat's mind - I'm known as something of a 'cat whisperer', without beating my own drum....only mention because you asked the Q.

You are actually anthropomorphising here, when you compare a cat's 'feelings' on a matter such as desexing to those of a human. A cat, to be perfectly frank, couldn't give a rodent's posterior about its reproductive organs not being there - particularly if they've never bred. If they HAVE, and are then desexed, yes, I've seen some pathos in females who try to steal others' kittens. I've known males which never stop the habit of spraying and therefore don't make good pets. If you're not a serious breeder, it's best to have neutered pets, neutered as kittens. And I repeat - what they don't know, they don't miss.

They make better pets and are safer - all it takes for a female (or a male on the prowl for that matter) to go missing or become roadkill is for someone to leave a door open for a second or two...or a window only slightly ajar.

You'll obviously go your own way on this one, but what a shame that YOUR anthropomorphic instincts and wishes are more important to you that consideration for your cat and cats at large.
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