skareb

you are completely mind boggling!

abymummy is sugesting you adopt so that you (as a self confessed cat lover) can save a few lives.

suzy is right about DLH in shelters. i have had DLHs. granted, not that many but you can check my posts in the adoption thread and see.

like you, many people like DLHs so of course we call our friends to let them know about the cats. BECAUSE, WE KNOW PPL ARE SHALLOW AND JUDGE CATS BY THEIR LOOKS RATHER THAN PERSONALITY. DLHs have great chances of being adopted quickly and we do our best to maximise on that. then i can move them on and take in a DSH with poorer chances.

and read the following carefully. this is coming from a person who rescues and rehomes.

ethical breeders are not trying to monopolize the market. they sell at that price because they show their cats, feed their breeding stock well, provided veterinary care and vaccinations for their cats and kittens and want to instill a sense of value. once all the expense are taken into account, there is NO profit. yes, when you sell, you get a lump sum but that does not cover the ongoing expenses. that's why becoming a breeder is considered en extremely expensive hobby.

BYBs can afford to sell for less because they are not always committed to that level of care for their animals. they have little concern for what happens to their 'produce' once it leaves their home. ethical breeders care a lot!

that's why they neuter. some people think it is selfish and they do it becuase they don't want you to profit but it is because they don;t want to think that maybe their cucu will end up on the street, sick and abandoned. once breeders come to know what kind of person you are, then they can re-think selling you the breeding cat. you wouldn't let you duaghter marry just anyone right? this forum is indeed a place for cat lovers. so please listen to those who really care and try to make a difference. if you cannot agree, then at least don't be sarcastic and mock! i rarely voice my opinion in opposition to people because i feel everyone is entitled to their point of view. but when one party mocks another unjustly, then i feel compelled to make a stand.

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and this is the kind of comment i would never have expected from someone who loves cats. what are we trying to discuss here? the economics of death? or do you buy cheap cats so you do not have to invest in veterinary care because it's ok for your cheap cat to die?

think dear before you mock...

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I'm only mocking those who feel ppl should only keep RM15 kats or RM5000 kats. What about the in between? A lot of ppl started from RM15 SPCA adoption, including me. Then we would like to upgrade our hobby to something better, maybe not a pedigree persian but something look a like (DLH) that cost RM500. And if we're more serious we go to something like RM5000. But not everyone travelled all the way to a RM5K kats.

So based on the charted above and if everyone followed it then RM500 would ceased to existed? Coz when I mention breeding DLH ppl kinda gimme a funny look and make it seem a sin to breed and telling me there is plenty in SPCA and in the STREET, which I've look here n there for a DLH and found non and had to resort to buying from petshop n frens.

So the saying of too many DLH proves not true coz I LOOKED for it and found non. If its so easily found dun you think its impossible that shop can still sell them at RM1000? please answer me this.

If you guys are talking about "be responsible"...care for the kitten, dun just sell and try to make a big profit try to look into producing healthy kittens provide quality food...this I 100% can accept, but dun go give me lame excuses that there are TOO many DLH lying around.

If you talk logic I'll talk logic...and about the DLH from pershop dying within 1 week, is also another nonsense, I've bought 4 DLH in this hobby within 13 yrs and non died yet. My mom took one...another one was sold after a few years. And 2 still with me. Dun go curse and scare everyone that petshop cat will die on you bcoz there is also a lot of quality petshop around.

OK neither am I saying that all petshop are very caring....its something like if we buy a BMW of coz for the price you pay you get special quality inspection and more cares are given to the production of the cars. If you buy a proton you dun expect the quality and treatment of a BMW (and we wont be dumb enuf to try to register the cat like who mention earlier)

Ppl with lower budget also has the right to enjoy the hobby, dun go tell me with my RM500 I'm not rich enuf to buy a long hair kat and have to resort to SPCA for a RM15 kat. I've been there.

And about your example of daughters..."you dun sell your daughters". And when they neuter the kittens as far as I'm concern it is to cut the risk of competitions! and not some so noble idea about strays in the streets, coz if you breed a pedigree with my kats standard DLH and selling at RM100, I can guarantee you get a long que at your front door. If you cannot sell pls pass to me I sell it for you..want????? please answer me this also.

If you wanna do biz...just do your biz and dun put down your competitor with nonsense. You dont see BMW speading rumours about proton or kancil very dangerous to your life, no airbags surrounding you like DTS sound system. Because they know, ppl with lower budgets also have the rights to enjoy driving or keeping kats...and this is human life we're talking about right???

And now your turn...dont go pick one line...read the whole damn respond. In which area do you think I dun care for my kats huh? I even sleep with my kats! Dun be a smart alec...if you cannot understand what I wrote earlier then this thread is not for you.

i agree wat skareb say ...u are right....

I'm only mocking those who feel ppl should only keep RM15 kats or RM5000 kats. What about the in between? A lot of ppl started from RM15 SPCA adoption, including me. Then we would like to upgrade our hobby to something better, maybe not a pedigree persian but something look a like (DLH) that cost RM500. And if we're more serious we go to something like RM5000. But not everyone travelled all the way to a RM5K kats.

So based on the charted above and if everyone followed it then RM500 would ceased to existed? Coz when I mention breeding DLH ppl kinda gimme a funny look and make it seem a sin to breed and telling me there is plenty in SPCA and in the STREET, which I've look here n there for a DLH and found non and had to resort to buying from petshop n frens.
Not everyone will accept or learn, hv you?

So the saying of too many DLH proves not true coz I LOOKED for it and found non. If its so easily found dun you think its impossible that shop can still sell them at RM1000? please answer me this.
Of coz it will never be tht easy for you to pick up a DLH on the street since they are lots of ppl who are willing to RM500 or more for it, as soon as 1 is in the street lots of ppl will pick them up as they know it is worth as least a few hundreds ringgit. The fact is tht there are a lot of sucker out there who are even willing to pay few thousand ringgit for a so call pedigree with no cert to prove & what so impossible for RM1000.

If you guys are talking about "be responsible"...care for the kitten, dun just sell and try to make a big profit try to look into producing healthy kittens provide quality food...this I 100% can accept, but dun go give me lame excuses that there are TOO many DLH lying around.
Responsible breeders don’t just sell their kittens they hardly break even & breeding healthy, quality kittens is their goal.
Alicia has rehome quite some DLH or DSH for peanut compare to what she had actually spend on them & in short to tell you tht she is digging into her pocket for every cats she rehome.

If you talk logic I'll talk logic...and about the DLH from pershop dying within 1 week, is also another nonsense, I've bought 4 DLH in this hobby within 13 yrs and non died yet. My mom took one...another one was sold after a few years. And 2 still with me. Dun go curse and scare everyone that petshop cat will die on you bcoz there is also a lot of quality petshop around.
It’s true tht not all cats buy from a petshop will die on you but then there are also quite a number of cases they do happen. A responsible breeder will guarantee for the health of his kitten & will advise you as to how to feed or care for them when transfer to you to avoid any unfortunate happening & how many petshop will.

OK neither am I saying that all petshop are very caring....its something like if we buy a BMW of coz for the price you pay you get special quality inspection and more cares are given to the production of the cars. If you buy a proton you dun expect the quality and treatment of a BMW (and we wont be dumb enuf to try to register the cat like who mention earlier)

Ppl with lower budget also has the right to enjoy the hobby, dun go tell me with my RM500 I'm not rich enuf to buy a long hair kat and have to resort to SPCA for a RM15 kat. I've been there.
I’m not sure if you can still adopt a DLH from SPCA for RM15 but I’m sure you can get a DLH not hving to pay anything like RM300 or more. You will be surprise tht sometime you might get a pedigree (mostly retired cat) for around tht price or free & of coz we are talking abt responsible breeder who know who you are & are truly comfortable with you.

And about your example of daughters..."you dun sell your daughters". And when they neuter the kittens as far as I'm concern it is to cut the risk of competitions! and not some so noble idea about strays in the streets, coz if you breed a pedigree with my kats standard DLH and selling at RM100, I can guarantee you get a long que at your front door. If you cannot sell pls pass to me I sell it for you..want????? please answer me this also.
I don’t see which part of Alicia post mention abt selling yr daughter.
I’m a breeder I don’t neuter or spay my kittens just bcoz I’m afraid of competitions & I don’t see how I can monopolize it too. There are many MC breeders out there who easily sell their kittens for a much lower price then mine & I hv never for once consider threaten & for yr info my competitors are the 1 in the show hall & not them.

If you wanna do biz...just do your biz and dun put down your competitor with nonsense. You dont see BMW speading rumours about proton or kancil very dangerous to your life, no airbags surrounding you like DTS sound system. Because they know, ppl with lower budgets also have the rights to enjoy driving or keeping kats...and this is human life we're talking about right???
Breeding is a bad investment. It shud only be taken as a passion & it is truly a very expensive one too.
BYB & kitten mill breed them only for profit & you can be sure they don’t give a damn abt passion for this cats. Many BYB & kitten mill or soon to be BYB will feel offended for what I hv said but tht’s the fact & I don’t give a damn.

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Hello from your long long post you're still trying to imply there is an over supply of DLH in malaysia???? please gimme straight answer.

Just becoz of a few DLH in SPCA doesnt mean there is a problem of over supply, can you elaborate a little about the few DLH found there...

Too old?
Mental unstable?
Sick?

Do you see any kittens there?

Common la, so now you're saying ppl who pay RM500 - RM1000 are suckers? whereelse ppl who pay RM5000 certify kats are smart? Its something like saying ppl who buy quality standard BMW are smart whereelse ppl who drive Toyota are stupid.

FYI, nothing is more accurate than economy, if a petshop can still command RM500-RM1000 shows the demand for such cats (DLH) is out there and it automatically proves there isnt an over supply or strays as you ppl trying to potrait...no?

You can twist and you can turn but you cannot deny the fact about the supply vs demand.

add on; I agree with you about kitten mill churning out 20 litters a month ...but I'm only having a pair of DLH and I'm also breeding my kats out of passion minus the big budget only...am I any less a kat lover?

But to anyone who have mistreat your kats or kitten, be it BYB, Kitten mill or individual owner...then yes a sin or crime had been commited.

But to the ppl here with thier rediculous chart...they're a bunch of ppl who looked down on lower income ppl, they put up a chart that discriminate lower income ppl...they're trying to say only the rich who can afford PEDIGREE cats should keep beautiful cats and continue to breed them...whereelse if you cannot afford to pay few thousand ringgit then pls go to SPCA and grab whatever rejected cats available. DO NOT BREED YOUR HOWEVER BEAUTIFUL DLH BECAUSE THE CAT DO NOT HAVE CERTIFICATE!!!!!!

My dear Skareb,

May I ask two questions of you, please:

1. How many cats have you rescued from the streets in the past 13 years you've claimed to be a cat lover?

2. How many DLH have you sold in the same 13 years that you've been a DLH cat lover?

And actually one more question - since you say you have bought petshop DLH 13 years ago, and they are still alive, are they neutered now or are they still producing kittens?

I personally have rescued over 30 cats in the past 5 years and have successfully rehomed all of them - neutered AND vaccinated. Granted, only 40% of them were DLH that I picked up from my wet market. I never asked for a sen.

What about you?

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Dear mummy,

I've once a long time ago found 6 kittens in my condo compound (kampung kats) and I called SPCA thinking I'm doing noble things. Then they came that afternoon to my house since I took all the kittens home and wait for SPCA to collect them.

Few days later I went to SPCA to sibuk...and ask what happen to all the kittens they took coz I would like to see them and to my horror They told me they've put them all to sleep...my sis cried there immediately..thinking we're doing good but had actually send them all to thier dead bed.

So Dear Mummy...that was the last time I send any more kittens to the slaughter house.

And yes I do rehome animals few times but never bother to remember as I do it out of instinct and I feel immoral to shout about my deed in here so proudly in front but behind I put up discriminating charts.

FYI:
My 13 yr old cat was neauter long time ago...I've never in my life breed any kitten BUT planning to breed my 1st pair of DLH which I bought last week the female cat.