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Old 11-07-2008, 12:29 PM
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Sebelum ini JAKIM sudah kuarkan statement mengatakan kembiri adalah harus utk megawal population,membuatkan kucing/anjing overpopulation dan bawa mudarat kpd manusia dan sekitaran.I have no doubt about it. jd jgn lagi ragu2 kata tak boleh kembiri kucing/anjing.


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saya agak confuse membaca semua soalan dan jawapan itu. sebab bunyi dan soalan nya lebih kurang sama antara satu dengan yang main. manakala jawapan nya pun berbunyi sama.

so then i will just keep waiting for the next email and answers

kalau boleh suruh alim ulama tu masuk sini dan jawab terus boleh tak? ehehehheeheh, kat email tu macam nak tak nak saja reply tu. pendek pendek. rasa was was kita.


The best would be for you to see them and clerify your doubts........but i can ensure you one would give you a different facts from another, that's what makes things more confusing at the end of the day.

Would it better then to forwrd the question to the religious main person?
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salam

saya agak confuse membaca semua soalan dan jawapan itu. sebab bunyi dan soalan nya lebih kurang sama antara satu dengan yang main. manakala jawapan nya pun berbunyi sama.

so then i will just keep waiting for the next email and answers
kalau boleh suruh alim ulama tu masuk sini dan jawab terus boleh tak? ehehehheeheh, kat email tu macam nak tak nak saja reply tu. pendek pendek. rasa was was kita.


Ya, itu lah yang sebaiknya. Kalau masih was-was kita tanya lagi, tanya lagi dan lagi. Hilang was-was baru war-war kan.

Lega ....dengan jawapan ini. syukur kerana aku tak memandulkan kucing-kucing aku. Kucing yang aku mandulkan pun kerana "berpenyakit".

Simistri, rasanya kalau kucing tu tak sakit pun boleh mandulkan. Asalkan niat u tu ikhlas nak elakkan kucing tu dari ditimpa penyakit. Sebab, bila kita mandulkan, selalunya kucing akan jadi lebih sihat dan kurang stress, so susah ditimpa penyakit. Takkan le bila dah sakit baru nak mandulkan
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Encik Dukunlintah,sebenarnya kucing Simistri tu bukan sakit.dia being sarcastic je.he!!he!! penyakit yg dia maksudkan tu,kucing dia dok sibuk nak mengawan.

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Ya, itu lah yang sebaiknya. Kalau masih was-was kita tanya lagi, tanya lagi dan lagi. Hilang was-was baru war-war kan.

Lega ....dengan jawapan ini. syukur kerana aku tak memandulkan kucing-kucing aku. Kucing yang aku mandulkan pun kerana "berpenyakit".

Simistri, rasanya kalau kucing tu tak sakit pun boleh mandulkan. Asalkan niat u tu ikhlas nak elakkan kucing tu dari ditimpa penyakit. Sebab, bila kita mandulkan, selalunya kucing akan jadi lebih sihat dan kurang stress, so susah ditimpa penyakit. Takkan le bila dah sakit baru nak mandulkan
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The best would be for you to see them and clerify your doubts........but i can ensure you one would give you a different facts from another, that's what makes things more confusing at the end of the day.

Would it better then to forwrd the question to the religious main person?


Dear Suzy,

I've forwardded all the question to JAKIM. Religious main person? As for me, JAKIM would be the best cause they consist from panels of many ulamaks. All the excerpt are from JAKIM.
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Encik Dukunlintah,sebenarnya kucing Simistri tu bukan sakit.dia being sarcastic je.he!!he!! penyakit yg dia maksudkan tu,kucing dia dok sibuk nak mengawan.


Oo penyakit nafsu terlebih sudah.. dukun ada ubatnya, nak?
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Dear Suzy,

I've forwardded all the question to JAKIM. Religious main person? As for me, JAKIM would be the best cause they consist from panels of many ulamaks. All the excerpt are from JAKIM.


So would JAKIM confirm on the facts or will it need to get confirmation frm the palace ?

Is JAKIM the head of all religious matters here ? They have the final say?

Anyway I do hope JAKIM would come out with a circular (if they don't have any at the moment) so that is can be easily excess at anytime by everyone.

*Especially on the neutering facts.
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So would JAKIM confirm on the facts or will it need to get confirmation frm the palace ?

Is JAKIM the head of all religious matters here ? They have the final say?

Anyway I do hope JAKIM would come out with a circular (if they don't have any at the moment) so that is can be easily excess at anytime by everyone.

*Especially on the neutering facts.


The Head of Religious matter would be the Palace, but all the fatwa come from JAKIM (In Malaysia). JAKIM is acting as a main adviser to the palace regards to all religious matter.

I came across a circular from JAKIM (posted at govt animal clinic) regards to neutering and it says HARUS. Try to google, but could'nt find. But, i think Arisham has it... please help.
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sempat jugak kenakan aku .....

cemana pun aku setuju ... "Kalau masih was-was kita tanya lagi, tanya lagi dan lagi. Hilang was-was baru war-war kan"


aku pun ader gak tanya beberapa soalan kat laman web JAKIM dan masih menunggu jawapan....

yang JAKIM nie pun kekadang satu hal gak, bagi jawapan dah lah ringkas, lepastu sesetengah jawapannya pulak lagi "mengaburkan" dari "menyelesaikan".
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What Islam said about Neutering Pets?

We have referred to the "Jawatankuasa Kemajuan Islam Malaysia" regarding the neutering of pets.

Below is the "fatwa" issued by JAKIM (July 2002):

"All pets like cats and dogs are allowed to be neutered or spayed in order to maintain the health and

welfare of both the animals and the community."

"Bahawa mengembiri binatang kesayangan seperti kucing atau anjing hukumnya adalah diharuskan

dengan sebab-sebab tertentu iaitu bagi menjaga muslahat ummah."

After studying the messages of the aforementioned "mazhab"s and the medical viewpoint, 'JAKIM' has decided that neutering of cats for reasons of 'maslahat' is acceptable. It is in agreement with 'qaedah' (way) Fiqhiyyah which states "To choose the lesser of two evils".

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Sedangkan Allah Subahanahu Wataa’ala melarang memakan harta orang lain dengan jalan yang bathil.Termasuk menjual barang yang tidak ada manfaatnya ialah menjual serangga kecil yang melata di bumi seperti kumbang, ular, kala jengking, tikus, dan semut. Syara’ tidak memandang sebagai ada manfaatnya pada serangga-serangga tersebut.Tidak sah diperjualbelikan setiap binatang buas seperti singa, serigala atau burung yang tidak boleh dimanfaatkan seperti burung rajawali dan burung gagak, iaitu binatang atau burung yang tidak boleh dimakan.

Adapun binatang atau burung yang boleh dimanfaatkan sah diperjualbelikan seperti harimau bintang digunakan untuk memburu, gajah untuk berperang, monyet untuk memetik buah-buahan atau menjaga, lebah untuk diambil madunya, burung anthalib ( bulbul/murai ) untuk berseronok-seronok dengan suaranya, burung merak untuk berseronok-seronok dengan bulunya dan lintah untuk menghisap darah orang sakit.( lihat Mughti Al- Muhtaj2/15 dan Kifayah Al-Akhyar 234-235 )

Khas mengenai kucing, menurut Yusuf Al-Ardibili di dalam Al- Anwar li A’mal Al- Abrar 1/213-214, mengatakan:

Ertinya: “ Sah jual beli binatang ternakan, kuda, baghal, keldai, kijang, anak kijang, burung helang (bazah), rajawali, gajah, harimau bintang, monyet, kucing, merpati, burung-burung, lintah, ulat sutera, binatang yang gunanya untuk hiburan kerana warnanya seperti burungmerak, atau kerana suaranya seperti zurzur ( burung tiung ),” andalib ( bulbul/murai ) dan burung kakak tua.”Maka berdasarkan nash kitab Al-anwar di atas adalah sah diperjualbelikan binatang kucing peliharaan, tetapi bukan kucing hutan atau kucing liar.


I spoke to JAKIM last year, regarding this...yes they agreed that selling/buying cats for hobby is HARUS. However, not for wild cats. The cat must be tamed, train or developed for specific use..in this case, for hobby.

Wallahualambisawab..

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