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Old 16-04-2008, 10:25 PM
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ruth, what saddens me most is your inabilty to see any good in anything, this cat show included.

yeah, you're a saint.

the good i see?
  1. one more new family have been recognised for their exceptional care of their domestic cat
  2. their friends and family are already emulating them. their friend's friends and family may then follow.
  3. the improvement in an inestimate-able number of cat's lives. even the biggest waves start as a tiny ripple.
  4. you've learnt (as i recently did) about substitutions for the future (if you ever take part again)
  5. local show committees are truly devoted to promoting the welfare of HHP's, even if it at their expense. bravo!


Why bring in anybody's family now? Now suddenly cat shows are to get family and friends to emulate each other. How nice! There must be plenty of domestic lovers around now with so many catshows held.

Like your last sentence. How true! I thought you told Amy that Adilah didn't show any HHPs so she's not bothered much with HHPs. Bravo indeed!

Anyway, my last word is you got involved for nothing.
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Old 16-04-2008, 10:35 PM
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i'm not in the show hall..however, i believed this things should be done when there is substitution ...


1. The show manager can decide whther he/she can accept the case
2. If the show manager decide to accept, he/she must inform the master clerk for changes, the master clerk will do the changes and inform ring clerks/judges
3. any neccessary reports/documents/forms should be supplied by the organizer to CFA in the CFA packet

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http://kitten.com.my/forum/cat-show...html#post140146


What is substitution? Is it same owner, different cat? Different owner, different cat?

(No. 2) In this case, the ring clerks/judges did not know about the changes.
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Old 17-04-2008, 01:48 PM
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What is substitution? Is it same owner, different cat? Different owner, different cat?

(No. 2) In this case, the ring clerks/judges did not know about the changes.


The Exhibitor can substitute the cat (same owner) to OR add another cat(s) (different owner, cats) however, should the show manager allow it she/he must have a good valid reason to do so and MUST supplied the new entry form(s) together with supported documents and her/his report why it should be allowed to the CFA (CFA has every rights not to accept)

No. 2 The Show Manager MUST inform the Master Clerk (who will make necessary amendment in the Catalog Book and informed the Ring Clerks and Judges)

If you found all the necessary rules is not followed by the organizer, you may file a complaint to the CFA within 30 days of the show event.
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Old 17-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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The Exhibitor can substitute the cat (same owner) to OR add another cat(s) (different owner, cats) however, should the show manager allow it she/he must have a good valid reason to do so and MUST supplied the new entry form(s) together with supported documents and her/his report why it should be allowed to the CFA (CFA has every rights not to accept)

No. 2 The Show Manager MUST inform the Master Clerk (who will make necessary amendment in the Catalog Book and informed the Ring Clerks and Judges)

If you found all the necessary rules is not followed by the organizer, you may file a complaint to the CFA within 30 days of the show event.



Thanks very much for the helpful information. Will give it some thought.
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Old 18-04-2008, 01:30 PM
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IMO, no matter how many times a person swap their cat, if the quality is not up to the required standard, I doubt the cat will win.

I Believe there are talking about HHP which I believe standard is not an issuse here..... I Put here clear here just to clear up if there is any miss understanding on CFA standard.

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Old 18-04-2008, 01:47 PM
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Best solution is you stop showing, so you will not encounter such problem again.

Lots of benefit,
1) You don't waste your money
2) You don't feel unjustice
3) Your cats won't have disastrous outing

For Shadow

I would have to say that you have used the wrong statement here... I believe this could be miss understanding or unclear with situation... (For Ruth or Show Committee).

And I strongly WOULD NOT encourage him/her to stop showing... I believe him/her has the right to show. IF he/she wanted too.

What you have just say is totally outrageous and it doesn't make any sense at all, First of all when he/she feel that is somethings is not right he/she voice it out, So that is what you call WASTING MONEY, AND IT WOULD CAUSE DISASTROUS OUTING?

So when you all not happy with other show did anyone ask you to stop showing ?? Lastly I hope you are not an official SHOW committee if not i donno what to say about this.

Well I believe the SOLUTION and the right things to do is that IF RUTH Feel that there is unsatisfication RUTH could make a official protest within 30 days from the show date to CFA. THAT IS OFFICIAL and that is the right things to do.

For RUTH here is the address

http://www.cfa.org/forms/protest-form.pdf

I would strongly recommended that you talk to the show committee to seek for a clarification and if you are unsatisfied you protest form will be your last choice and please provide with sufficient information
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Old 18-04-2008, 01:57 PM
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I Believe there are talking about HHP which I believe standard is not an issuse here..... I Put here clear here just to clear up if there is any miss understanding on CFA standard.



We agree with you that the standard is not the issue here. We want to make it absolutely clear, to Shadow and those in doubt, that the judging on the HHPs, presented to the judges, were fair. No questions about that. We don't wish to start all over again, but we're sure that most people are aware of the issue at hand.

Anyway, it is the responsibility of the show manager to handle this issue and we believe she will. Thanks, once again, to those who have given us advice. They are greatly appreciated.
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Old 18-04-2008, 02:41 PM
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I manage to dig out the SHOW RULES and I would like to put it here just for the information....

3.01 A cat or kitten shown in the wrong class or under incorrect name, ownership, or registration number may be disqualified by the Central Office and any wins voided.

3.01.01 A cat or kitten for which an entry form was not submitted prior to the close of entries is subject to disqualification. A cat or kitten being exhibited must match the entry form which was submitted for entry to the show.

4.01 & 11.01 Any person entering a cat or kitten in a show held under the rules of CFA shall by such act agree to abide by, and this person and the entry of this person shall be subject to, these rules.

15.01.1 Should the show manager permit a cat/kitten whose entry information is not printed in the catalog to compete, the show manager shall provide a written statement of explanation, for the review of CFA Central Office, which shall determine if the entry was eligible for competition. The show manager’s statement and all documents pertaining to his/her decision must be submitted with the show package to the Central Office. Entries deemed not eligible by the Central Office will not receive credit for any award(s) achieved at the show.

The show manager must prepare an addendum to include all information for any entry not included in the show catalog, which is to be posted with the master clerk and included with the official show records submitted to the central office. A fee of $50 per addendum will be charged to the club/entry clerk/show service and must be submitted with the show packet.

10.01 A protest asserting an alleged violation of these rules by any show official, judge, exhibitor or member club may be made by an exhibitor, an officiating judge or by a member of a member club and may first be made to the show committee in writing at the show or within thirty (30) days following the show. The show committee shall endeavor to gather all pertinent facts concerning the alleged violation(s) and in the event the show committee deems the protest to be supported by substantial evidence, the written protest and all relevant matter gathered by the show committee shall be forwarded the CFA Executive Board. However, the person(s) asserting the alleged violation may opt to bring the fact directly to the CFA Protest Committee.

The Executive Board may, at it’s option, proceed to hear the protest after giving the party charged due notice and opportunity to be heard in accordance with Article XV of The CFA Constitution. Upon a finding of guilty, the Board shall prescribe punishment in accordance with Article XV of The CFA Constitution.

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Thumbs up Thanks, Adilah!

This note of thanks to Adilah is long overdue.

We want to say this of her. She acknowledged that rules are rules and that there was indeed a breach of rules in the April 13 catshow. She rectified it by suggesting that Tina and Coco be declared joint winners of the best household pet award. We agreed to this as she explained that she was ignorant of certain information which resulted in her not disqualifying the cat in question. Moreover, it was not Coco's owner's fault. We accepted her explanation and decided not to press the issue further, given the circumstances.

Only someone made of fine stuff and capable of greater things to come is able to admit mistakes.

We must not forget the person who offered to buy us a trophy and a rosette with his own money. Thank you so much but we don't accept "awards" that are not rightfullly ours.

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Good and Congrats on having a joint winning! Lovely cat!
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